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DEWAN UNDANGAN NEGERI OFFICIAL REPORTS

MESYUARAT KEDUA BAGI PENGGAL KETIGA Second Meeting of the Third Session

5 hingga 14 November 2018

DEWAN UNDANGAN NEGERI SARAWAK KELAPAN BELAS

EIGHTEENTH SARAWAK STATE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY

SELASA

06 NOVEMBER 2018

(28 SAFAR 1439H)

KUCHING

Peringatan untuk Ahli Dewan: Pembetulan yang dicadangkan oleh Ahli Dewan hendaklah disampaikan secara bertulis kepada

Setiausaha Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak tidak lewat daripada 10 Disember 2018

KANDUNGAN

PEMASYHURAN DARIPADA TUAN SPEAKER…………………………………………….... 1

PERTANYAAN-PERTANYAAN BAGI JAWAPAN-JAWAPAN LISAN

(1) Status Pembinaan Sekolah-Sekolah Daif di Sarawak …….………………….. 1 (2) Kawalan Harga Rumah ……………………..……………………………………. 2 (3) Masalah Tekanan Air Rendah Di Bukit Agok Jalan Meluan

/Nanga Entabai …………………………….……………………………………... 4

(4) Projek Jambatan Batang Lassa dan Jambatan Batang Paloh ……............... 5 (5) Naiktaraf Sistem Perparitan yang Usang / Rosak dari Jalan Repok Ke

Simpang CTC ……..………………………………………………………………. 6

(6) DBOS Deposits and Credit Facilities…………………..……………………….. 7 (68) Operational Status dan Commercial Activities DBOS ……………….……….. 7 (7) Malaysian Birth certificate or Identity card in Baram and Belaga …………… 9 (8) Padang Bola Sepak di Kapit …………………………………………………….. 11 (48) SMK Paku in Bau District as State Hockey Excellent Centre ……………….. 11 (9) Implementation of Industrial Park at Sungai Bidut ……………………………. 12 (10) NCR land perimeter survey, in Bukit Begunan Constituency………………… 13

USUL DARIPADA MENTERI

Menteri Pelancongan, Kesenian, Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sukan (YB Datuk Haji Abdul Karim Rahman Hamzah, N.15 Asajaya)……………………..... 15 Menteri Muda Hal Ehwal Korporat (Penyokong) (YB Encik Abdullah Bin Haji Saidol, N.36 – Semop) …………………………………. 17

(Perbahasan Usul)

(1) YB Datuk Henry Harry Anak Jinep (N.2 – Tasik Biru) …................................ 21 (2) YB Encik Baru Bian (N.70 – Ba'Kelalan) ……………………..………….…….. 21 (3) YB Encik Dennis Ngau (N.76 – Telang Usan) …………………………….…… 22 (4) YB Datuk Dr Murshid DiRaja Dr Juanda bin Jaya (N.44 – Jemoreng) .…….. 24 (6) YB Encik Chong Chieng Jen (N.12 – Kota Sentosa)……..…………………… 25 (7) YB Encik Lo Khere Chiang (N.13 – Batu Kitang)……………………….……... 27 (8) YB Majang Anak Renggi (N.70 – Samalaju)…………………….……………… 28 (9) YB Datuk Snowdan Lawan (N.30 – Balai Ringin) ……………….…………….. 30 (10) YB Encik David Wong Kee Woan (N.54 – Pelawan)………………………….. 32 (11) YB Datuk Sebastian Ting Chiew Yew (N.73 – Piasau)..……………..……….. 33 (12) YB Dr Haji Annuar bin Rapaee (N.49 – Nangka) .……………………..…….… 34 (13) YB Encik Jefferson Jamit Unyat (N.63 – Bukit Goram) .…………………….… 35 (14) YB Dato’ Haji Idris Bin Haji Buang (N.16 – Muara Tuang) .………………...… 36 (15) YB Datuk Amar Hajah Jamilah Haji Anu (N.3 – Tanjung Datu) ……………… 38 (16) YB Datu Dr Pengguang Manggil (N.76 – Marudi) ……………………………. 40 (17) YB Encik Fazzrudin Bin Haji Abdul Rahman (N.6 – Tupong)……………….… 42 (18) YB Datuk Dr Haji Abdul Rahman Haji Junaidi (N.4 – Pantai Damai)………… 44 (19) YB Encik Yussibnosh Balo (N.57 – Tellian)…………………………………….. 47 (20) YB Datuk Liwan Lagang (N.65 – Belaga)………………………………………. 49 (21) YB Datuk Lee Kim Shin (N.75 – Senadin)….…………………………………… 49 (22) YB Datuk John Sikei Anak Tayai (N.60 – Kakus)……………………………… 51 (23) YB Datuk Ding Kuong Hiing (N.46 – Meradong)…………………………….… 53 (24) YB Encik Wilson Nyabong Anak Ijang (N.61 – Pelagus)……………………… 53 (25) YB Ir Aidel Bin Lariwoo (N.24 – Sadong Jaya)…………………………………. 54 (26) YB Datuk Haji Mohd Naroden bin Haji Majais (N.26 – Gedong)……………… 54 (27) YB Encik Ripin Bin Lamat (N.72 – Lambir)……………………………………… 55

(28) YB Puan Hajah Sharifah Hasidah Binti Sayeed Aman Ghazali (N.7 – Samariang)………………………………………………………………….

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(29) YB Dato’ Sri Huang Tiong Sii (N.45 – Repok)………………………………….. 58 (30) YB Encik Safiee Bin Haji Ahmad (N.43 –Daro)………………………………… 58 (31) YB Gerald Rentap Jabu (N.36 – Layar)…………………………………………. 59

USUL DARIPADA AHLI DEWAN BIASA

(1) YB Dr Ting Tiong Choon (N.74 – Pujut) ………………………………………… 62 (2) YB Encik David Wong Kee Woan (N.54 – Pelawan)…………………………... 63 (3) YB Encik See Chee How (N.11 – Batu Lintang)…….…………………………. 65 (4) YB Encik See Chee How (N.11 – Batu Lintang)…….……………….……...… 66

PENANGGUHAN MESYUARAT ……………………………………………………………….... 69

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DEWAN UNDANGAN NEGERI SARAWAK YANG KELAPAN BELAS

Penyata Rasmi

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Selasa, 6 November 2018

Dewan bermesyuarat di Petra Jaya, Kuching pada jam 09.09 pagi

HADIR

Bil. Nama Konstituensi

1. Yang Berhormat Datuk Amar Haji Mohamad Asfia Bin Awang Nassar

D.A., P.N.B.S., D.S.A.P., D.I.M.P., P.B.K.

Speaker Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak

2. Yang Berhormat Dato Gerawat Gala N.78 Mulu

P.S.B.S., P.B.K.

Timbalan Speaker Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak

3. Yang Amat Berhormat Datuk Patinggi (Dr) Abang Haji Abdul Rahman N.8 Satok

Zohari Bin Tun Datuk Abang Haji Openg D.P. D.A., P.N.B.S., J.B.S.

Ketua Menteri

Menteri Kewangan dan Perancangan Ekonomi

Menteri Pembangunan Bandar dan Sumber Asli

4. Yang Berhormat Datuk Amar Douglas Uggah Embas N.37 Bukit Saban D.A., P.N.B.S., P.G.B.K.

Timbalan Ketua Menteri

Menteri Pemodenan Pertanian, Tanah Adat dan Pembangunan

Wilayah

5. Yang Berhormat Tan Sri Datuk Amar Dr James Jemut Anak Masing N.64 Baleh P.S.M., D.A., P.N.B.S., P.B.S.


Menteri Pembangunan Infrastruktur dan Pengangkutan

6. Yang Berhormat Datuk Amar Haji Awang Tengah Bin Ali Hasan N.82 Bukit Sari D.A., P.N.B.S., P.G.B.K., A.M.N.


Menteri Pembangunan Perindustrian dan Usahawan

Menteri Pembangunan Bandar dan Sumber Asli II

7. Yang Berhormat Dato Sri Wong Soon Koh N.53 Bawang Assan

P.N.B.S., P.G.B.K., A.B.S.

Menteri Perdagangan Antarabangsa dan E-Perdagangan

Menteri Kewangan II

8. Yang Berhormat Dato Sri Michael Manyin Anak Jawong N.21 Tebedu P.N.B.S., P.G.B.K., A.M.N., P.P.T., P.P.D. (Emas)

Menteri Pendidikan, Sains dan Penyelidikan Teknologi

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9. Yang Berhormat Dato Sri Hajah Fatimah Abdullah N.56 Dalat

P.N.B.S., P.G.B.K.

Menteri Kebajikan, Kesejahteraan Komuniti, Wanita, Keluarga dan

Pembangunan Kanak-kanak

10. Yang Berhormat Datuk Prof. Dr Sim Kui Hian N.14 Batu Kawah

P.J.N.

Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan dan Perumahan

11. Yang Berhormat Dato Sri Dr Stephen Rundi Anak Utom N.69 Kemena

P.J.N., A.B.S.

Menteri Utiliti

12. Yang Berhormat Datuk Haji Talib Bin Zulpilip N.67 Jepak

P.G.B.K., P.B.K., P.P.B., P.P.D., P.P.S.

Menteri di Pejabat Ketua Menteri (Integriti dan Ombudsmen)

13. Yang Berhormat Datuk Haji Abdul Karim Rahman Hamzah N.15 Asajaya

P.G.B.K., P.B.S.

Menteri Pelancongan, Kesenian, Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sukan

14. Yang Berhormat Datuk John Sikie Anak Tayai N.60 Kakus

P.J.N P.B.S.

Menteri Muda Undang-Undang Adat dan Bumiputera

15. Yang Berhormat Datuk Haji Mohd. Naroden Bin Haji Majais N.26 Gedong

P.G.B.K., P.B.S.

Menteri Muda Pembangunan Perusahaan Kecil dan Sederhana dan

Usahawan

16. Yang Berhormat Datuk Francis Harden Anak Hollis N.32 Simanggang

P.G.B.K., P.B.S., A.B.S.

Menteri Muda Kesejahteraan Komuniti

17. Yang Berhormat Datuk Lee Kim Shin N.75 Senadin

P.J.N., K.M.N., P.B.S., P.P.B., B.B.S.

Menteri Muda Pelancongan, Kesenian dan Kebudayaan

18. Yang Berhormat Datuk Haji Julaihi Bin Haji Narawi N.27 Sebuyau

P.G.B.K., P.B.S., K.M.N., P.P.D.

Menteri Muda Jalan Pesisir

19. Yang Berhormat Datuk Dr Jerip Anak Susil N.19 Mambong

P.G.B.K., A.M.N.

Menteri Muda Pengangkutan

20. Yang Berhormat Datuk Liwan Lagang N.65 Belaga

P.J.N., P.P.N., K.M.N., J.B.S.

Menteri Muda Bekalan Air

21. Yang Berhormat Puan Hajah Rosey Binti Haji Yunus N.71 Bekenu

J.B.K., P.P.B., P.P.S., P.B.E.

Menteri Muda Wanita, Keluarga dan Pembangunan Kanak-kanak

22. Yang Berhormat Datu Haji Len Talif Salleh N.41 Kuala Rajang

D.J.B.S., P.B.K., P.P.B.

Menteri Muda Perancangan Bandar, Pentadbiran Tanah dan Alam

Sekitar

23. Yang Berhormat Datuk Roland Sagah Wee Inn N.20 Tarat

P.G.B.K., J.B.K., P.B.S.

Menteri Muda Pembangunan Adat Tanah

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24. Yang Berhormat Datuk Dr Haji Abdul Rahman Haji Junaidi N.4 Pantai Damai

P.G.B.K.,J.B.S., A.B.S.

Menteri Muda Elektrik Luar Bandar

25. Yang Berhormat Puan Hajah Sharifah Hasidah Binti Sayeed Aman N.7 Samariang

Ghazali

P.T.E.

Menteri Muda Undang-undang, Hubungan Negeri-Persekutuan dan

Pemantauan Projek

26. Yang Berhormat Encik Malcom Mussen Lamoh N.34 Batang Ai

P.B.S., P.T.E.

Menteri Muda Industri dan Pelaburan

27. Yang Berhormat Dr Haji Abdul Rahman Bin Haji Ismail N.79 Bukit Kota

A.B.S., P.T.E.

Menteri Muda Pertanian

28. Yang Berhormat Dr Haji Annuar Bin Rapaee N.55 Nangka

P.T.E.

Menteri Muda Pendidikan dan Penyelidikan Teknologi

Menteri Muda Perumahan dan Kesihatan Awam

29. Yang Berhormat Datu Penguang Manggil N.76 Marudi

D.J.B.S., K.M.N., P.P.C., P.P.B.

Menteri Muda Kerajaan Tempatan

30. Yang Berhormat Encik Abdullah Bin Haji Saidol N.42 Semop

J.B.K.,P.T.E.

Menteri Muda Hal Ehwal Korporat

31. Yang Berhormat Datuk Snowdan Lawan N.30 Balai Ringin

P.G.B.K.,A.M.N., P.T.E.

Menteri Muda Belia dan Sukan

32. Yang Berhormat Tan Sri Datuk William Mawan Anak Ikom N.47 Pakan

P.S.M., P.N.B.S., P.G.B.K., A.M.N., P.B.S., P.P.D. (Emas)

33. Yang Berhormat Datuk Amar Hajah Jamilah Haji Anu N.3 Tanjung Datu

D.A., P.B.E., P.P.D (Perak), P.S.B.S, P.B.S.

34. Yang Berhormat Datuk Ambrose Blikau Anak Enturan N.55 Katibas

P.G.B.K., P.B.S., A.M.N.

35. Yang Berhormat Datuk Haji Abdul Wahab Bin Aziz N.38 Kalaka

P.G.B.K., J.B.S., P.P.B., P.P.D.

36. Yang Berhormat Datuk Mong Anak Dagang N.31 Bukit Begunan

P.G.B.K., J.M.N., P.B.S., P.P.D.

37. Yang Berhormat Dato Sri Haji Mohammad Ali Mahmud N.17 Stakan

P.N.B.S., D.S.A.P., S.I.M.P., P.P.D.

38. Yang Berhormat Dato Ranum Anak Mina N.1 Opar

K.M.N., A.M.N., K.P.K., P.J.M., P.P.S., P.P.A., B.B.S., A.B.S., P.S.B.S.

39. Yang Berhormat Puan Hajah Simoi Binti Haji Peri N.28 Lingga

P.T.E. J.B.K.

40. Yang Berhormat Encik Johnichal Rayong Anak Ngipa N.33 Engkilili

P.T.E.

41. Yang Berhormat Encik Alexander Anak Vincent N.49 Ngemah

K.M.N., P.T.E., P.B.K.

42. Yang Berhormat Encik Martin Ben N.22 Kedup

P.T.E.

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43. Yang Berhormat Ir Aidel Bin Lariwoo N.24 Sadong Jaya

P.T.E., P.B.S.

44. Yang Berhormat Encik Mohammad Razi Bin Sitam N.35 Saribas

P.T.E.

45. Yang Berhormat Encik Ripin Bin Lamat N.72 Lambir

J.B.K.,K.M.N., P.T.E.

46. Yang Berhormat Encik Dennis Ngau N.77 Telang Usan

P.T.E.

47. Yang Berhormat Encik Chiew Chiu Sing N.68 Tanjong Batu

48. Yang Berhormat Encik Chong Chieng Jen N.12 Kota Sentosa

49. Yang Berhormat Encik Baru Bian N.81 Ba’Kelalan

50. Yang Berhormat Puan Violet Yong Wui Wui N.10 Pending

51. Yang Berhormat Encik See Chee How N.11 Batu Lintang

52. Yang Berhormat Tuan Haji Razaili Bin Haji Gapor N.29 Beting Maro

P.T.E., P.B.S.

53. Yang Berhormat Encik Yussibnosh Balo N.57 Tellian

54. Yang Berhormat Dato’ Haji Idris Bin Haji Buang N.16 Muara Tuang

D.I.M.P., A.M.N., P.B.S., A.B.S., P.C.D., P.J.P.N., P.T.E.

55. Yang Berhormat Datuk Sebastian Ting Chiew Yew N.73 Piasau

P.J.N., D.I.M.P. A.B.S.

56. Yang Berhormat Datuk Tiong Thai King N.52 Dudong

J.B.S., P.G.B.K.

57. Yang Berhormat Dato’ Sri Huang Tiong Sii N.45 Repok

D.I.M.P., S.S.A.P.

58. Yang Berhormat Dato Henry Harry Anak Jinep N.2 Tasik Biru

P.S.B.S., A.B.S.

59. Yang Berhormat Dato’ Murshid DiRaja Dr Juanda Bin Jaya N.44 Jemoreng

DATO’ MURSHID DIRAJA, S.S.P.

60. Yang Berhormat Datuk Ding Kuong Hiing N.46 Meradong

A.B.S., P.J.N.

61. Yang Berhormat Encik Ali Anak Biju N.39 Krian

62. Yang Berhormat Encik Wong King Wei N.9 Padungan

63. Yang Berhormat Encik David Wong Kee Woan N.54 Pelawan

64. Yang Berhormat Puan Irene Mary Chang Oi Ling N.51 Bukit Assek

65. Yang Berhormat Dr Ting Tiong Choon N.74 Pujut

66. Yang Berhormat Ir Lo Khere Chiang N.13 Batu Kitang

B.B.S.

67. Yang Berhormat Encik Wilson Nyabong Anak Ijang N.61 Pelagus

68. Yang Berhormat Encik Miro Simuh N.18 Serembu

69. Yang Berhormat Encik John Anak Ilus N.23 Bukit Semuja

A.P.S.

70. Yang Berhormat Encik Fazzrudin Bin Haji Abdul Rahman N.6 Tupong

71. Yang Berhormat Encik Awla Bin Dris N.25 Simunjan

A.B.S.

72. Yang Berhormat Encik Jefferson Jamit Anak Unyat N.63 Bukit Goram

B.B.S., P.B.S., K.M.N.

73. Yang Berhormat Encik Gerald Rentap Jabu N.36 Layar

A.B.S., P.P.N., J.B.K.

74. Yang Berhormat Ir Christopher Gira Anak Sambang N.59 Tamin

P.B.K.

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75. Yang Berhormat Encik Rolland Duat Anak JuBin N.48 Meluan

76. Yang Berhormat Encik Abdul Yakub Bin Haji Arbi N.58 Balingian

77. Yang Berhormat Encik Safiee Bin Haji Ahmad N.43 Daro

78. Yang Berhormat Encik Chukpai Ugon N.66 Murum

P.P.N., A.B.S.

79. Yang Berhormat Encik Allan Siden Gramong N.50 Machan

A.B.S.

80. Yang Berhormat Encik Majang Anak Renggi N.70 Samalaju

81. Yang Berhormat Encik Mohd. Chee Bin Kadir N.40 Kabong

A.B.S., P.B.S., P.J.P.N., J.B.S.

TIDAK HADIR

(Kebenaran di bawah Peraturan Mesyuarat 81)

Bil. Nama Konstituensi

1. Yang Berhormat Encik Paulus Palu Gumbang N.80 Batu Danau

A.M.N., P.B.S., J.B.K., P.T.E.

2. Yang Berhormat Dr Haji Hazland Bin Abang Hipni N.5 Demak Laut

P.T.E.

TURUT HADIR

1.

Encik Semawi Bin Mohamad Setiausaha Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak

2.

Cik Sharifah Shazzea Binti Wan Akil Timbalan Setiausaha Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak

3.

Inspektor Johari Bin Mudin Bentara Mesyuarat

4.

Inspektor Mohamad Fareed Bin Ghazali Bentara Mesyuarat

5.

Inspektor Wan Muhammad Faizhaqimi Bin Wan Hasbibullah Bentara Mesyuarat

6.

Encik Paul Beardsley Anak Lamat Bentara Mesyuarat

7.

Encik Abang Nasiruddin Bin Abang Mohd Khalid Bentara Mesyuarat

PETUGAS PERSIDANGAN

PEMBACA PRUF 1.

Puan Dayang Norazan Kartini Binti Dato Pengiran Haji Zain

Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka Negeri Sarawak

2.

Cik Veronica Kueh Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka Negeri Sarawak

PEGAWAI UNDANG-UNDANG

1. Encik Hrrison Anak Aris Jabatan Peguam Besar Negeri Sarawak

2. Encik Mohamad Muhaimin Bin Zakaria Jabatan Peguam Besar Negeri Sarawak

PEMBANTU PENYUNTING

1. Puan Nur Hanisah Binti Untong Jabatan Ketua Menteri

PUSTAKAWAN

1. Puan Rozana Oktavia Raymond Umpu Pustaka Negeri Sarawak

2. Puan Dayang Najwa Hazwani Awang Zaini Pustaka Negeri Sarawak

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JURUTRENGKAS 1.

Puan Sharlina Binti Mushar

Pejabat Setiausaha Kewangan Negeri Sarawak

2.

Puan Anieta Sylvester Pungga

Perbadanan Pembangunan Ekonomi Sarawak

3. Puan Bernadette Willon Jabatan Kastam DiRaja Malaysia

4. Puan Dayang Duraiza Binti Haji Awang Jangka Lembaga Sumber Asli dan Alam Sekitar 5.

Puan Dzuridah Binti Haji Sariee Kementerian Pembangunan Perindustrian dan Usahawan Sarawak

6. Puan Leidiana Azahari Kementerian Utiliti Sarawak 7. Puan Katerin @ Maria Jamali Dewan Bandaraya Kuching Utara 8. Puan Nur Izzatul Fatihah Abdullah Jabatan Kerja Raya Sarawak 9.

Puan Juliana Lugom Perbadanan Pembangunan Ekonomi Sarawak

10. Puan Valarie Jane Anak Aitman Pejabat Pembangunan Persekutuan Negeri Sarawak

11. Puan Rosline Dominic Maon Jabatan Peguam Besar Negeri Sarawak 12. Encik Mohd Alfadjer Bin Tuah Jabatan Peguam Besar Negeri Sarawak 13. Puan Winnie Vincent Universiti Malaysia Sarawak 14. Puan Meri Sabas Universiti Malaysia Sarawak 15. Puan Doris Hollis Universiti Malaysia Sarawak 16. Puan Tamenthi Komarusamy Pejabat Timbalan Setiausaha Kerajaan

Negeri 17. Puan Beatrice Dinus Jabatan Imigresen Negeri Sarawak 18. Puan Khadijah Khaider Jabatan Perbendaharaan Negeri Sarawak 19. Puan Sabtuyah Binti Adeng Perbadanan Pembangunan Perumahan 20. Puan Mariana Binti Brahim Perbadanan Pembangunan Perumahan 21. Encik Roland Ayak Jabatan Penjara Negeri Sarawak 22. Puan Noorina Binti Hamdan Universiti Malaysia Sarawak 23. Puan Ratna Airnwati Binti Hj Md Junaidi Lembaga Pelancongan Sarawak 24. Puan Emely Edmund Kementerian Pertahanan Malaysia

Cawangan Sarawak 25. Puan Josie Botin Polis DiRaja Malaysia 26. Puan Rosa Train Jinep Lembaga Pembangunan dan Lindungan

Tanah 27. Puan Dayang Siti Roszalina Binti Abang Rosli Jabatan Kehakiman Syariah Sarawak 28. Puan Khuzaimah Binti Razali Jabatan Audit Negara, Negeri Sarawak 29. Puan Azah Binti Mohamad Jally Jabatan Kebajikan Masyarakat Sarawak 30. Puan Nurhaida Binti Amin Radio Televisyen Malaysia

RAKAMAN PROSIDING

1. Encik Mohd Zainal Bujang Jabatan Penyiaran 2. Encik Hussien Haji Shuni Jabatan Penyiaran 3. Encik Edwin Jambol Anak Radin Jabatan Penyiaran 4. Encik Syed Faizal Bin Wan Dahlan Jabatan Penyiaran

JURUCETAK

1. Encik Awang Faidzul Bin Awang Aboone Percetakan Nasional Malaysia Berhad 2. Encik Mohd. Nor Majidi Bin Marekan Percetakan Nasional Malaysia Berhad

JURUTEKNIK IT

1. Encik Syordi Lokman SAINS 2. Encik Hibatullah Malek SAINS

MESSENGER

1. Encik Abang Safry Bin Abang Bohari Jabatan Agama Islam Sarawak 2. Encik Herman Bin Siss Jabatan Agama Islam Sarawak 3. Encik Moksen Bin Sion Jabatan Agama Islam Sarawak

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4. Encik Junaidi Bin Samsudin Kementerian Kerajaan Tempatan dan Perumahan

5. Encik Christopher Nyenggang Anak Jameson Buau

Jabatan Muzium Sarawak

6. Encik Ideris Bin Lamit Jabatan Pertanian Sarawak 7. Encik Mohamed Nazeerudin Bin Gulam

Mohamed Kementerian Permodenan Pertanian, Tanah Adat dan Pembangunan Wilayah

8. Encik Lawrence Anak Encharang Jabatan Pertanian Sarawak

ANGGOTA STAF DEWAN UNDANGAN NEGERI SARAWAK

1. Puan Magdalen Anak Nangkai 2. Cik Noria Binti Suut 3. Cik Nur Azira Binti Abdul Kadir 4. Puan Rabiah Binti Abdul Kadir 5. Puan Siti Norhiza Binti Mohd. Yusri 6. Puan Hanisah Abdullah 7. Cik Ily Lyana Binti Rosli 8. Cik Nur Shalazia Binti Morshidi @ Ramzi 9. Encik Rasdi Bin Ahmad @ Tarence Bobby Johnny 10. Puan Norziana Binti Haji Ahmad 11. Encik Harry Harold Daud 12. Puan Katheline Killah 13. Puan Nur Eliana Abdullah 14. Puan Nazmah Binti Darham 15. Puan Tracy Liana Anak Bana 16. Encik Razali Bin Awi 17. Encik Lukas Jammany Anak Kated 18. Encik Zahari Bin Bolhi 19. Encik Mohamad Zailani Bin Junaidi 20. Encik Hazrin Syah Bin Hamzah 21. Encik Alwie Bin Haji Ali 22. Cik Hawa Binti Morsad 23. Puan Suraya Binti Hamden 24. Puan Noraisah Binti Ahmad 25. Cik Siti Zalilah Binti Samsawi 26. Cik Natasha Nadia Binti Mohd Saidi 27. Encik Romzie Bin Bujang 28. Encik Musa Bin Julai 29. Encik Mohamad Sabqhi Bin Ali

PELAJAR LATIHAN INDUSTRI

1. Encik Mohd Zulkhairy Bin Mohd Hajemi 2. Cik Marena Binti Hazemi 3. Cik Hazel Nazlyn Binti Hasnan 4. Encik Abg Mohd Syukur Bin Abg Rosli 5. Cik Nurhaffizah Binti Abdullah

BELUM DISUNTING 6 NOVEMBER 2018

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PEMASYHURAN OLEH TUAN SPEAKER

Tuan Speaker: Bismillahirrahmanirrahim. Assalamualaikum Warahmatulllailahi Wabarakatuh. Selamat pagi dan salam sejahtera. Bagi pihak Dewan yang mulia ini saya ingin mengucapkan selamat menyambut Hari Deepavali kepada penganut beragama Hindu yang meraikannya pada hari ini.

PERTANYAAN-PERTANYAAN BAGI JAWAPAN-JAWAPAN LISAN

Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Sadong Jaya.

Status Pembinaan Sekolah-Sekolah Daif Di Sarawak

(1) YB Ir Aidel Bin Lariwoo bertanya kepada Menteri Pendidikan, Sains dan Penyelidikan Teknologi. Apakah status pembinaan sekolah-sekolah daif di Sarawak? Saya mulakan dengan serangkap pantun.

Sekolah-sekolah daif di Sarawak keutamaan Nombor Satu, Soalan saya nombor satu.

Menteri Muda Pendidikan dan Penyelidikan Teknologi (YB Dr Haji Annuar bin Rapa’ee): Tuan Speaker, I will answer the question for Yang Berhormat for Sadong Jaya. Yes, I agreed the issue of dilapidated schools is a very hot issue. It is not because it has been politicised but it is so important for our future generation.

In Sarawak there are 1,020 dilapidated schools of which 415 are in critically bad

conditions and therefore several steps have been taken either by the Federal Government or the State Government. Let me highlight what has been done by the State Government first. Under the Rural Transformation initiatives this year, the State Government has spent RM17 million to upgrade and repair 47 schools in the whole of Sarawak.

We also spent RM4 million to repair and to buy furnitures to about 53 schools which

are affected by the flood this year. We also heard from yesterday, under the budget for the State Government next year, we will spend RM81.7 million to upgrade these dilapidated schools. Whereas the budget from the Federal Government only RM100 million for the whole nation. In other words, what has been approved during the budget 2017 for 2018, which we were being promised RM1 billion in a special budget; RM500 milion for this year and another RM500 million for next year, has been severely slashed by the current Federal Government to address these dilapidated schools. Thank you very much.

YB Ir Aidel Bin Lariwoo (Supplementary Question): Terima kasih, YB Menteri Muda di atas jawapan tadi. However, I have two supplementary questions.

(a) As we understand from the Federal 2018 Budget, RM1 billion allocation has

been approved as over and above the RMK allocation. However, we learned from the Federal Government the RM1 billion allocations is listed under normal RMK only. So, in view of the slashed budget by Federal Government,


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to improve the dilapidated schools in Sarawak, my question is whether the State Government is ready to take over the autonomous power with regard to the education; and

(b) Over all expenditure, how much was really given for the education

expenditure for the State of Sarawak? Thank you.

Menteri Muda Pendidikan dan Penyelidikan Teknologi (YB Dr Haji Annuar bin Rapa’ee): Terima kasih Yang Berhormat bagi Sadong Jaya. Tuan speaker, I would like to inform as well, there’s a lot of question on dilapidated schools. There are from Saribas as well as from Telang Usan today but the answer is almost the same.

For the question of whether the State Government want to have an autonomy on

education, let me highlight that education is under Item 13 of the Federal List in the Ninth Schedule of the Federal Constitution. In other words, the obligation or the responsibility of education is purely under the Federal Government. If you were to take the autonomy of this, you have to see a lot of aspect particularly the economic parts of the education. Education is not a cheap investment. Not only that, it is meant for the future of the next generation.

For answering the question No. 2 which is how much has been allocated or spent by

the Federal Government for the last two years on education in Sarawak? For 2016, it is about RM3.7 billion inclusive of all the emoluments, the maintenance as well as its operation. Whereas about RM3.9 billion for 2016 and it is increased to about more than RM4 billion last year. In other words Tuan Speaker, it shows that the expenditure for education will keep on escalating as much as the population increase. This is of course a usual way because there is increase in population, therefore is an increase needs to provide education for our people.

For any suggestion for us to take over education, we have to keep in mind how much

we have to spend each year. I think it is a huge amount that we have to spend and it is thus not a simple way of asking that we have to take over all this education autonomy. As much as we want, but we also need to think about the economics of running the education. Of course, it is better that we have our own autonomy, we can decide our own curriculum, we can decide what type of education systems we want to impose on our students but again because this is constitutionally under the Federal Government as listed under List Item 13 in the Federal List of the Ninth Schedule of the Federal Constitution and because of that the Federal Government must put a lot of emphasis on education in Sarawak and I would like to stress here that all MPs either from Pakatan Harapan or from our side, must speak loudly either in the Dewan Rakyat or in the Cabinet to ask where is the RM1 billion being promised previously by the Federal Government. Thank you very much. Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Lambir.

Kawalan Harga Rumah

(2) YB Encik Ripin bin Lamat bertanya kepada Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan dan

Perumahan, apakah tindakan dan perancangan pihak Kerajaan untuk mengawal harga

tempat kediaman yang semakin meningkat dan tidak mampu dibeli oleh mereka yang

berpendapatan sederhana dan rendah?


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Menteri Muda Perumahan dan Kesihatan Awam (YB Dr Haji Annuar bin Rapa’ee): Saya

perlu menjawab soalan No.2 lagi tapi dalam bidang perumahan. Untuk makluman rakan

saya dari Lambir, soalan No.2 ini bertanya apakah tindakan dan peranan Kerajaan untuk

mengawal harga rumah? Kita ada empat pendekatan, dua daripadanya adalah dari segi

polisi dan yang keduanya adalah dari segi cara membina rumah tersebut.

Tuan Speaker, dari segi polisinya Kerajaan Persekutuan mestilah menyalurkan dana atau memberi bantuan dalam membina rumah mampu milik ini di mana Kerajaan Negeri melalui HDC akan menyediakan tapak. Dalam erti kata yang lain, dari segi infrastruktur, kos infrastruktur dan pembangunannya perlulah dibiaya oleh Kerajaan Persekutuan. Kerjasama ini amat penting ini sudah jelas terbukti di Sungai Rait, Miri yang berjaya menyediakan 500 buah rumah untuk penduduk berpendapatan rendah.

Yang kedua ialah Kerajaan melalui satu program yang dinamakan “Program Perumahan Mampu Milik Sri Pertiwi” dimana Kerajaan telah melonggarkan keperluan dari segi keluasan untuk membina rumah tersebut. Kalau dahulu rumah biasa kita hanya dibenarkan lapan buah rumah tetapi sekarang kita membenarkan 12 buah rumah untuk membina rumah mampu milik ini dan atas sebab itu dia boleh menurunkan harga rumah tersebut.

Yang ketiga, ialah dari segi di mana adanya skim pembesaran kampung jika

seseorang itu ingin membina rumah, Kerajaan akan menurunkan premium tanah tersebut

daripada RM5000.00 ke RM2500.00. Selain daripada itu juga, cara membina rumah tersebut

perlu diubahsuaikan juga, di mana sekarang Kerajaan lebih menitikberatkan penggunaan

Industrialized Building System (IBS). Ia dapat mengurangkan harga rumah disebabkan dia

membuat rumah secara besar-besaran, pertama dan kedua, masa yang diperlukan untuk

membina rumah di bawah IBS ini amat cepat dan dengan demikian dapat mengurangkan

harga kos rumah tersebut.

Terima kasih.

YB Encik Ripin bin Lamat: Terima kasih, Yang Berhormat Menteri Muda dan Tuan

Speaker. Saya ada dua soalan tambahan. Saya ingin merujuk mengenai jawapan Menteri

Muda tadi mengenai polisi. Jadi dalam usaha mengawal harga rumah kediaman atau

kenaikan rumah tempat kediaman, adakah Kerajaan mempunyai polisi untuk menetapkan

Ceiling Price sesebuah rumah ataupun tempat kediaman yang dimajukan oleh pihak swasta

mengikut lokasi contohnya di bandar, sub-urban atau luar bandar. Jadi adakah kerajaan

mempunyai polisi pendekatan atau mekanisma untuk menetapkan certain price sebelum

meluluskan pemindaan perumahan ini dilakukan oleh pihak swasta? Dan yang kedua ialah,

adakah Kerajaan mempunyai perancangan untuk membina fasa dua seperti perumahan

rakyat di Sungai Rait di kawasan DUN Lambir yang mana mengikut jawapan Yang

Berhormat Menteri Muda tadi, teknologi IBS boleh membantu mengurangkan kos

perumahan dan adakah di Sarawak sudah ada pelan yang mengeluarkan IBS ini.

Terima kasih.

Menteri Muda Perumahan dan Kesihatan Awam (YB Dr Haji Annuar bin Rapa’ee):

Terima kasih, Yang Berhormat daripada Lambir. Tuan Speaker, dalam permohonan untuk

membina rumah khususnya rumah mampu milik ini iaitu Spectro light dan Spectro medium,

semua permohonan yang dikemukakan oleh pihak swasta akan melalui State Planning

authority ataupun SPA. Di dalam SPA adanya peruntukan untuk memberi harga siling

khususnya kepada rumah-rumah mampu milik ini, iaitu RM100,000.00 sehingga

RM160,000.00. Jadi dengan adanya kaedah ini, dapatlah Kerajaan menetapkan harga


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khusus kepada pembeli-pembeli yang dalam kategori B40 ataupun yang mampu memilik

rumah mampu milik ini.

Untuk soalan yang kedua, adakah Kerajaan bercadang untuk meneruskan fasa kedua rancangan perumahan di Sungai Rait, ini amat tertakluk kepada peruntukan daripada Kerajaan Persekutuan walaupun ada sesetengahnya mengadu domba bahawa Miri akan dapat 8000, 10,000, 20,000 buah rumah mampu milik. Boleh dibuat kalaulah Kerajaan Persekutuan dapat menyalurkan peruntukan terserbut kepada Negeri Sarawak kerana semua rumah mampu milik ini adalah tanggungjawab juga pihak Kerajaan Persekutuan juga dan Kerajaan Negeri melalui HDC akan bekerjasama dengan apa jua sekalipun untuk memastikan rumah mampu milik ini dapat dibinakan. Untuk IBS ada rancangan untuk kita membina pelan di Negeri Sarawak supaya lebih mudah mendapatkan sumber-sumber ini ataupun material membina IBS ini dapat dipercepatkan lagi agar masalah perumahan ini di Sarawak dapat kita atasi.

Terima kasih.

Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Meluan.

Masalah Tekanan Air Rendah di Bukit Agok Jalan Meluan/ Nanga Entabai

(3) YB Encik Rolland Duat Anak Jubin bertanya kepada Menteri Utiliti. Apakah perancangan Kerajaan untuk membina “Tangki Air Paras Tinggi” di Bukit Agok, Jalan Meluan/Nanga Entabai untuk mengatasi masalah tekanan air yang rendah di kawasan tersebut? Menteri Muda Bekalan Air (YB Datuk Liwan Lagang): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. Untuk makluman Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Meluan, pembinaan tangki aras tinggi telah dimasukkan dalam Projek Bekalan Air Julau Fasa II bagi meningkatkan tekanan bekalan air bersih di kawasan DUN Meluan. Projek tersebut kini dalam proses pelantikan perundingan oleh Kementerian Pembangunan Luar Bandar. YB Encik Rolland Duat Anak Jubin: Terima kasih, Yang Berhormat Menteri Muda. Saya ada dua soalan tambahan:

(a) Apakah skop kerja terlibat dalam Projek Bekalan Air Julau Fasa II?

(b) Bilakah projek Fasa II mula dilaksanakan? Menteri Muda Bekalan Air (YB Datuk Liwan Lagang): Terima kasih, Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Meluan. Soalan yang amat menarik sekali, kita lihat nanti. Untuk soalan satu, untuk makluman Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Meluan, projek ini melibatkan penaiktarafan loji perawatan air Julau, pembinaan stesen pam penggalak tangki simpanan, tangki aras tinggi dan juga penambahan rangkaian paip bekalan air. Yang kedua, di sini ada haru biru sikit sahaja. Untuk makluman Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Julau, Projek Bekalan Air Julau Fasa II kini dalam proses pelantikan perundingan. Cara-cara tender oleh Kementerian Pembangunan Luar Bandar. Selepas pelantikan perundingan ini pula kerja survei perlu dilakukan. Manakala selepas kerja survei, lab management perlu diadakan. Selepas lab management ini pula, engineering management lab juga perlu diadakan. Akan tetapi, ini di luar kawalan Kementerian Utiliti dan semua kerja pengendalian proses ini adalah tertakluk kepada Kementerian Pembangunan Luar Bandar dan oleh yang demikian, projek ini dijangka hanya bermula jika segala proses ini tadi berjalan dengan lancar dan pihak Kementerian Pembangunan Luar Bandar memastikan ia teratur. Kita jangkakan ia bermula lewat tahun hadapan 2019. Tetapi Ahli Yang Berhormat


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bagi Meluan juga boleh mendapat pertolongan sebab paduan tenaga ini lebih baik. Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi MP Julau adalah dari sebelah Kementerian ataupun daripada Federal Government (PH) yang memerintah sekarang. Saya percaya dan yakin beliau ada niat melihat orang Julau menikmati air, maka gunakanlah saluran itu. Selain daripada itu, kita juga ada Menteri Kerja Raya yang sentiasa berada dalam kabinet. Juga, Timbalan Menteri juga ada, gunakan mereka. Mereka pasti melihat Sarawak ingin menikmati kemudahan-kemudahan yang begini. Terima kasih. Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat Encik Safiee Bin Ahmad.

Projek Jambatan Batang Lassa dan Jambatan Batang Paloh (4) YB Encik Safiee Bin Ahmad bertanya kepada Menteri Pembangunan Infrastruktur dan Pengangkutan. Bilakah projek Jambatan Batang Lassa dan Jambatan Batang Paloh akan dimulakan pelaksanaannya? Menteri Muda Jalan Pesisir (YB Datuk Haji Julaihi Bin Haji Narawi): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. Terima kasih Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Daro yang bertanya soalan. Untuk makluman Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Daro, Jambatan Muara Lassa dan Jambatan Batang Paloh telah diluluskan di bawah Program Jalan Pesisir yang dibiayai sepenuhnya oleh Kerajaan Sarawak. Pada masa yang sama Tuan Speaker, saya suka memaklumkan bahawa Projek Jambatan Muara Lassa disenaraikan di bawah senarai Projek Lawatan Kerja Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri Sarawak ataupun listed under YAB Chief Minister’s Walkabout Project. Kedua-dua jambatan ini sedang dalam proses reka bentuk dan akan ditender pada penghujung tahun 2018. Maknanya pada penghujung tahun ini dan ianya dijangka dapat dimulakan pelaksanaannya ataupun pembinaannya pada suku pertama tahun 2019. Pendek kata Yang Berhormat Tuan Speaker, saya suka merumuskan urusan ataupun cadangan jambatan di Sarawak dalam serangkap pantun.

Udang ketam dari Sematan, Hasil nelayan anak Pak Nasir,

Memang dibina banyak jambatan, Memenuhi impian rakyat pesisir.

Terima kasih. YB Encik Safiee Bin Ahmad: Tuan Speaker, saya ada dua soalan tambahan:

(a) Apakah skop kerja bagi kedua-dua jambatan tersebut? (b) Apakah jenis reka bentuk yang sesuai untuk kawasan ini? Terima kasih.

Menteri Muda Jalan Pesisir (YB Datuk Haji Julaihi Bin Haji Narawi): Terima Kasih, Yang

Berhormat bagi Daro. Jadi, untuk kedua-dua jambatan ini, saya mulakan dengan Jambatan

Muara Lassa dulu.

Jambatan Muara Lassa merupakan sebuah jambatan concrete balanced cantilever

sepanjang 2.43 kilometer. Maknanya, apabila Jambatan Muara Lassa ini siap kelak, ianya

akan merupakan jambatan yang kedua terpanjang selepas Jambatan Batang Lupar apabila

siap kelak. Pada masa yang sama, kita perlu membina jalan tuju ataupun approach road di


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kedua-dua belah seberang sungai yang menuju ke jambatan tersebut yang melibatkan jalan

sepanjang 3.5 kilometer. Bagi Jambatan Batang Paloh, ianya merupakan sebuah jambatan

sepanjang 1.7 kilometer yang juga merupakan sebuah jambatan concrete balanced

cantilever yang melibatkan approach road sepanjang 4 kilometer

Untuk menjawab soalan yang kedua, memang banyak reka bentuk jambatan yang

boleh dibina, Tuan Speaker, tetapi ianya banyak bergantung kepada peruntukan yang

diluluskan oleh Kerajaan. Tetapi, apa yang lebih penting di sini ialah connectivity.

Connectivity itu lebih penting, connectivity menjadi keutamaan apabila kita membina

sesebuah jambatan dan oleh itulah, untuk makluman Yang Berhormat bagi Daro suka saya

berkongsi jenis reka bentuk jambatan yang boleh kita ketahui bersama. Di antaranya,

concrete balanced cantilever bridge, cable stay bridge, arch bridge dan trust bridge dan lain-

lain lagi reka bentuk yang boleh kita pertimbangkan tetapi banyak bergantung kepada

jumlah peruntukan yang diluluskan oleh Kerajaan. Dan yang lebih penting lagi ialah

connectivity seperti yang ditunggu dan diharap-harapkan oleh rakyat di kawasan pesisir.

Terima kasih.

Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Repok.

(5) YB Dato' Sri Huang Tiong Sii bertanya kepada Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan dan Perumahan. Adakah Kerajaan mempunyai perancangan untuk menaik taraf sistem perparitan yang usang dan/atau rosak yang membahayakan para pengguna dari Jalan Repok ke Simpang CTC?

Menteri Muda Kerajaan Tempatan (YB Datu Dr Penguang Manggil): Terima kasih Tuan

Speaker. Terima kasih, Ahli Yang Berhomat bagi Repok.

Tuan Speaker, the Honourable Member for Repok have asked two questions, that is

Question No. 5 and Question No. 38, which touched on the same subject matter and in the

same area within his constituency. And therefore, in the interest of time and space, I will

attempt to answer these two questions simultaneously. As the Honourable Member for

Repok is fully aware, the Repok Road which stretches about 8.3 kilometres connects Sarikei

town to the Pan Borneo Highway. Of this 8.3 kilometres of the said road, 3.8 kilometres that

stretches from the CTC traffic light junction to Sarikei town, is under the jurisdiction of the

Sarikei District Council. Under the Cabinet Committee on Rural Transformation Initiatives -

Key Result Area (KRA) 7 that is Flash Flood Mitigation Programs - Majlis Daerah Sarikei has

been allocated a sum of RM2 million to raise the road levels of about 700 metres of the low

laying flood prone areas - of the said portions of the road that has been vested to the Sarikei

District Council. The remaining 4.5 kilometres of Repok Road; from the CTC Junction to the

Pan Borneo Highway is under JKR Sarawak. I was informed that JKR Sarawak has

submitted their proposal to the Federal Government to upgrade the said road to R5, under

the mid-term review but has not received any reply thus far. Perhaps, the Honourable

member for Ba’Kelalan who is also the Federal Minister for Public Works can highlight on the

status of this proposal to this august House.

Thank you.

YB Dato Sri Huang Tiong Sii: (Supplementary question) Thank you Tuan Speaker. I have

two supplementary questions:


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(a) What is the project under Cabinet Committee of Rural Transformation Initiatives - Key Result Area (KRA) 7 that is Flash Flood Mitigation Programs undertaken by the Majlis Daerah Sarikei is expected to be completed?

(b) What are the components of this project?

Thank you.

Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan dan Perumahan (YB Datu Dr Penguang Manggil): Terima

kasih, Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Repok. Like any other road projects the components of the

said project include widening and raising of the existing road level, construction of drains,

pedestrian walkways, waiting area and installation of road furniture such of road curve, sign

boards and road lining. It is expected to be completed by end of November 2018.

Thank you.

Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Batu Lintang.

(6) YB Encik See Chee How bertanya kepada Ketua Menteri. What is the total of

placement of deposits received by DBoS by the end of October 2018 and what is the total

sum of credit facilities that has been approved and given out?

(68) Yb Encik Ali Biju bertanya kepada Ketua Menteri. Apakah “Operational Status” dan

”Commercial Activities” terkini Development Bank of Sarawak (DBoS) semenjak diwujudkan

pada 3 November 2017?

Menteri Muda Hal Ehwal Korporat (YB Encik Abdullah bin Haji Saidol): Terima Kasih

Tuan Speaker, I appreciate the concern and interest of Yang Berhormat Batu Lintang

regards to your question of DBoS. So, I will take this question No. 6 by Batu Lintang together

with question 68 by Yang Berhormat Krian. For the information of both Yang Berhormat, the

Operational DBoS Commence Business operations on 15th January 2018 and for your

information as at 23rd October 2018, the total deposit received by DBoS amount to

RM3,448.3 million while the credit facilities approved and released are RM320 million and

RM244.2 million respectively and a number of application for credit facilities are now being

processed.

Thank you.

If you are not cleared, probably I will come back to you during the break.

YB Encik See Chee How (Supplementary question): Thank you Tuan Speaker. Thank you

Honourable Assistant Minister. My supplementary questions.

(a) If the Honourable Assistant Minister may enlighten us on the breakdown of the

sources of the deposit by sectors. How much from the State Reserve Funds,

Statutory Bodies, Local Authorities and Government Link Companies, etc;

(c) And how far has DBoS gone to in fulfilling the key objective to finance strategic

State Development project, whether the loans set to be approve and disburse for

such projects. Thank you.


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Menteri Muda Hal Ehwal Korporat (YB Encik Abdullah Bin Haji Saidol): For the information of Ahli Yang Berhormat for Batu Lintang, the breakdowns of depositors are as follows. As at 23rd October from the GLCs Governments link company RM7.5 million; from the Local Authorities RM17.6 million; from the Public Sectors RM3.4 billion; and from the Statutory Body RM23.2 million. That comes to the total of RM3 billion, RM448.3 million and the credit facilities, all the applications are now being processed, that involve relate to the strategic projects in the States and this process is ongoing and the bank is adopting the best practices like any other financial institutions in processing these applications. Thank you. Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat Encik Dennis Ngau. (Interruption…) YB Encik Chong Chiang Jen (Supplementary question): Thank you, Tuan Speaker. Thank you, Honourable Assistant Minister. If I do not hear you wrongly, you are mentioning just now from the GLCs certain amount but from public sector there is RM3.4 billion which forms a major bulk of the deposits. May I know public as in private sectors or member of the public or Government Agencies or Ministries? That’s to clarify just the deposits and also may I know what is the average interest being paid by DBoS on this deposits and the average interest that DBoS is receiving, earning from the loans giving up? Menteri Muda Hal Ehwal Korporat (YB Encik Abdullah Bin Haji Saidol): Thank you, Ahli Yang Berhormat for Kota Sentosa. That is a valid question of your concern ways. Public sectors could come from the companies, the entities of the government such as SESCO and probably some of the GLC’s and such as probably say for instance SEDC and ASSAR and all those agencies. The details I don’t have with me now but I would, I ever ready to provide you all those relevant information and also for the time being I am not able to disclose to you the interest that are been given, probably pending on the kind of projects involve and the amounts involve but again like I said your concern is good and I am ever ready to furnish you with all those relevant information. Thank you, Yang Berhormat Kota Sentosa. Tuan Speaker: Hang on… hang on… It includes question that of Krian? Okay, allow. YB Encik Ali Anak Biju (Supplementary question): Thank you, Tuan Speaker. I want a simple question about the DBoS. Do you have the latest financial statement of the DBoS and is it available for ADUN because I don’t see the report yet? Menteri Muda Hal Ehwal Korporat (YB Encik Abdullah Bin Haji Saidol): Ahli Yang Berhormat for Krian, I guess, again like I said that I appreciate your concern and it is a fair and a valid question and I have no problem answering that. We just had our operations early of the year and it just one year operation and financial report may not be ready by now, you know. So and then we are still about to disburse some of the credit facilities but then again being of a public interest probably we will make it available to you when it is ready. Thank you. Tuan Speaker: Report will be given only to the shareholders, I think? Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat Telang Usan.


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Malaysian Birth Certificate or Identity Card in Baram and Belaga (7) YB Encik Dennis Ngau bertanya kepada Menteri Kebajikan, Kesejahteraan Komuniti, Wanita, Keluarga dan Pembangunan Kanak-kanak: What are the efforts and achievement thus far, by Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara Sarawak in their efforts to ensure Pribumi Sarawak are able to posses their Malaysia birth certificate or Identity card in particularly among the rural communities of Baram and Belaga? Menteri Muda Kesejahteraan Komuniti (YB Datuk Francis Harden Anak Hollis): Tuan Speaker, untuk makluman Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Telang Usan, Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara, Negeri Sarawak (JPN Sarawak) sentiasa mengambil langkah proaktif dalam memastikan pendaftaran sijil kelahiran serta dokumen pengenalan diri bagi individu yang berkelayakan dapat dilaksanakan dengan mudah. Ia dilakukan melalui inisiatif penubuhan Pasukan Petugas Khas (PPK) bagi menangani masalah penduduk pribumi Sarawak yang lahir dan menetap di Negeri Sarawak tetapi tidak mempunyai dokumen pengenalan diri bermula pada Oktober tahun 2015.

Pasukan Petugas Khas ini dilaksanakan melalui Unit Khas Bergerak (UKB), Jabatan Pedaftaran Negera (JPN) Sarawak untuk melaksanakan operasi-operasi pendaftaran bergerak ke kawasan pedalaman Sarawak dengan bantuan mahkamah dan pejabat Daerah. Mekanisme pelaksanaan Task Force ini adalah melilbatkan kaedah pengesahan status pemohon oleh Tuai Rumah/Ketua Kampung dan Penghulu yang lebih mengenali pemohon melalui Akuan Berkanun.

Semenjak Oktober 2015 hingga 22 Oktober 2018, JPN Sarawak melalui Unit Khas

Bergerak telah melaksanakan 71 operasi pendaftaran bergerak ke kawasan pedalaman Miri dalam kawasan N.76 Marudi; N.77 Telang Usan dan N.78 Mulu dan hasilnya sebanyak 1,398 permohonan pendaftaran lewat kelahiran telah diterima. Daripada jumlah tersebut, 898 permohonan diluluskan, 365 permohonan ditolak, sementara 135 permohonan lagi masih dalam proses semakan.

Manakala 45 operasi pendaftaran bergerak telah dibuat ke kawasan pedalaman

Kapit dalam kawasan N.65 Belaga dan N.66 Murum dan hasilnya, sebanyak 960 permohonan pendaftaran lewat kelahiran telah kami terima. Daripada jumlah tersebut, 662 permohonan diluluskan, 266 permohonan ditolak sementara 32 permohonan lagi masih dalam proses semakan.

Terdapat empat (4) sebab permohonan pendaftaran lewat kelahiran ditolak oleh

Jawatankuasa Teknikal Pasukan Petugas Khas, iaitu:

(a) Kelahiran tidak berlaku di Negeri Sarawak; (b) Tiada perakuan Penghulu atau Tuai Rumah/Ketua Kampung; (c) Ibu bapa yang dicatatkan dalam borang permohonan didapati bukan ibu bapa

kandung; dan (d) Penganjur/Tuai Rumah/Ketua Kampung tidak mengenali pemohon dan tidak

mengakui maklumat keluarga pemohon.

Perlu diberi perhatian bahawa program Pasukan Petugas Khas ini dilaksanakan berdasarkan kepada Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) undang-undang dan peraturan yang telah ditetapkan serta memfokuskan kepada penduduk pribumi yang lahir dan menetap di Negeri Sarawak.

YB Encik Dennis Ngau (Soalan Tambahan). Thank you Menteri Muda. Thank you Tuan Speaker. I have two (2) supplementary questions.


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(a) Adakah Operasi Pendaftaran Bergerak bagi permohonan daftar lewat kelahiran akan diberhentikan selepas tamat tempoh pelaksanaan Pasukan Petugas Khas JPN?

(b) Sejak Jawatankuasa Khas, taraf kewarganegaraan peringkat Negeri Sarawak

ditubuhkan, berapakah permohonan kewarganegaraan bagi kanak-kanak yang diterima untuk pertimbangan dan apakah pencapaian terkini JKK Khas tersebut?

Terima kasih. Menteri Muda Kesejahteraan Komuniti (YB Datuk Francis Hardin Anak Hollis): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. Untuk makluman Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Telang Usan, Pasukan Petugas Khas telah ditubuh di Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara dengan kerjasama Kementerian Dalam Negeri bagi menangani masalah penduduk pribumi yang lahir dan menetap di Negeri Sarawak tetapi tidak memiliki dokumen pengenalan diri. Prosedur permohonan pendaftaran lewat kelahiran dipermudahkan melalui prosedur PPK dengan hanya memerlukan pengesahan secara Akuan Berkanun Tuai Kampung/Ketua Masyarakat. Jadi, individu yang belum mempunyai dokumen pengenalan diri tetapi layak dari segi perundangan, bolehlah menggunakan platfom ini untuk mendapatkan dokumen pengenalan diri yang sah. Sebagai salah sebuah jabatan kerajaan yang menyediakan perkhidmatan secara langsung kepada orang ramai, JPN sentiasa mengambil langkah proaktif bagi memastikan penduduk yang layak diberi dokumen pengenalan diri dan sentiasa peka terhadap ancaman keselamatan seperti isu pemalsuan dokumen demi menjamin kesahihan, keselamatan dan pemeliharaan rekod kependudukan rakyat di negara ini.

Sehubungan dengan itu, semakan permohonan pendaftaran bagi dokumen pengenalan diri boleh dikemukakan samada melalui perkhidmatan di mana-mana 52 buah pejabat cawangan JPN Negeri Sarawak atau Operasi Pendaftaran Bergerak menerusi program Outreach yang akan dan sentiasa dirangka, terutama kepada penduduk di kawasan pedalaman khususnya di negeri Sarawak.

Justeru, semua pihak terutamanya pemimpin masyarakat sewajarnya turut bersama-

sama pihak Kerajaan untuk mengambil tanggungjawab memantau atau membantu menangani isu dokumen pengenalan diri yang dihadapi oleh penduduk pribumi Sarawak. Jadi ini terutamanya dengan memberi kesedaran dan menyebar luas kepada masyarakat pribumi agar tampil ke pejabat Kerajaan yang berkaitan untuk membuat permohonan mengikut kelayakan yang membolehkan mereka tinggal secara sah di negara ini. Dengan itu, Kementerian kami memohon Pasukan Petugas Khas kini dan Jawatankuasa Khas Status Kewarganegaraan di bawah Perkara 15(a) peringkat Negeri Sarawak dilanjutkan.

Jadi, untuk menjawab soalan tambahan yang kedua, Tuan Speaker, untuk

makluman Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Telang Usan, Jawatankuasa Khas Status Kewarganegaraan di bawah Perkara 15(a) peringkat Negeri Sarawak yang dipengerusikan oleh Yang Berhormat Dato Sri Hajah Fatimah Abdullah, Menteri Kebajikan, Kesejahteraan Komuniti, Wanita, Keluarga dan Pembangunan Kanak-kanak Sarawak telah ditubuh bertujuan menapis dan menyemak permohonan kewarganegaraan bagi pemohon yang berumur di bawah 21 tahun bagi negeri Sarawak ke bawah.

Sebanyak 95 permohonan telah diluluskan dalam tempoh 18 bulan berbanding tempoh tidak kurang daripada dua tahun bagi keputusan permohonan yang diterima sebelum ini. Permohonan yang telah dibentang dan dibincang melalui Mesyuarat Jawatankuasa Khas ini bermula pada 21hb November 2016 sehingga Oktober 2018 adalah seperti berikut:


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(a) Pada tahun 2016, Bilangan Mesyuarat dua kali, 67 permohonan; (b) Pada tahun 2017, Bilangan Mesyuarat sepuluh kali dan permohonan 173

permohonan; dan (c) Setakat 24 Oktober 2018, enam Bilangan Mesyuarat dan permohonan

bertambah 321 menjadikan jumlah 18 Bilangan Mesyuarat dan permohonan kesemuanya 561.

Walau bagaimanapun, keputusan permohonan taraf kewarganegaraan di bawah

Perkara 15(A) Perlembagaan Persekutuan ini adalah tertakluk kepada pertimbangan dan keputusan Yang Berhormat Menteri Dalam Negeri. Perlu diberikan perhatian bahawa memenuhi syarat permohonan bukanlah jaminan perolehan Kewarganegaraaan kerana taraf Kewarnegaraan merupakan anugerah tertinggi Kerajaan Malaysia kepada warganegara asing berdasarkan kelayakan permohonan dan keputusan adalah muktamad. Terima kasih.

Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Bukit Goram.

Padang Bola Sepak di Kapit YB Encik Jefferson Jamit Anak Unyat: Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. (8) YB Encik Jefferson Jamit Anak Unyat bertanya kepada Menteri Pelancongan, Kesenian, Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sukan. Adakah Kerajaan mempunyai sebarang rancangan untuk membina sebuah Padang Bola Sepak di Kapit? (48) YB Encik Miro Anak Simuh to ask the Minister for Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports. SMK Paku in Bau District is the only school in the State that is equipped with AstroTurf Hockey Field. Is there any plan to put SMK Paku as State Hockey Excellent Centre for age level players of under 18 and below? Menteri Muda Belia dan Sukan (YB Datuk Snowdan Lawan): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. Terima kasih, Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Bukit Goram. Dengan izin saya juga akan menjawab soalan nombor 48 daripada Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Serembu mengenai kekurangan prasarana ataupun fasiliti sukan.

Untuk makluman Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Bukit Goram, Kementerian sedia maklum bahawa Kapit memerlukan sebuah padang bola sepak yang baharu. Pada masa ini Kementerian sedang dalam proses untuk melaksanakan proses kerja-kerja membaik pulih dan menaik taraf trek dan padang bola sepak di Kompleks Sukan Kapit dan dijangka siap pertengahan 2019. Kementerian ini akan berkerjasama dengan Ahli Yang Berhormat sendiri untuk mengenal pasti tapak-tapak yang lain untuk menyediakan lebih banyak lagi padang bola sepak bagi kawasan di Kapit. Terima kasih.

For the information of Honorable Member for Serembu, our Ministry have already

initiated the establishment of the implementation Centre of Excellence in Hockey for the State. We already have number of meetings with Jabatan Pendidikan Negeri Sarawak, Sport Development Section, Sarawak Sports Corporation and Coordinator and State Hockey Association to set-up as soon as possible. First intake should come in 2020 for one intake. After the Talent Development selection has been done by the State Hockey Association and Sarawak Sports Corporation (SSC). Currently, SSC has assigned their hockey coach in school.


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Thank you. YB Encik Jefferson Jamit Anak Unyat: (Soalan Tambahan) Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker.

Terima kasih, YB Menteri Muda Belia dan Sukan atas jawapan tadi. Saya ada dua soalan

tambahan:

(a) Apakah perkara-perkara yang diperlukan bagi mewujudkan sebuah padang bola sepak yang baharu?

(b) Berapakah anggaran kos pembinaan dan tempoh masa siap untuk sebuah padang bola sepak yang baharu?

YB Menteri Muda Belia dan Sukan (YB Datuk Snowdan Lawan): Terima kasih, Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Bukit Goram. Untuk mewujudkan sebuah padang bola sepak, yang pertamanya, kita mesti mengenal pasti tapaknya terlebih dahulu, tapak yang sesuai. Yang keduanya, mempunyai tidak lebih kurang dari dua ekar di mana kedudukan tanah sesuai dengan reka bentuk padang, dan tentulah yang ketiga, mendapatkan kelulusan State Planning Authority (SPA) dan keempat, mempunyai cukup peruntukan dan kos untuk membina sebuah padang bola sepak yang baharu dianggarkan lebih kurang RM500,000.00 dan dijangka siap lebih kurang dalam masa enam bulan. Terima kasih. YB Encik Miro Anak Simuh: (Supplementary Question) Thank you, Tuan Speaker. If SMK Paku was chosed as the Centre of Excellence for Hockey, what are the conditions for the athlete to be centralised there? Thank you very much. YB Menteri Muda Belia dan Sukan (YB Datuk Snowdan Lawan): Thank you Ahli Yang Berhormat for Serembu. If SMK Paku is being chosen as a Centre of Excellence the condition that the athlete have to get consent from their parents to go to the Centre of Excellence and then of course, a letter from the previous school in order for the athlete to join the Centre of Excellence in SMK PAKU. Thank you.

Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Dudong.

Implementation of Industrial Park at Sungai Bidut (9) YB Datuk Tiong Thai King bertanya kepada Menteri Pembangunan Perindustrian dan Usahawanan. When will the industrial park at Sungai Bidut be implemented? Menteri Muda Pembangunan Perusahaan Kecil dan Sederhana dan Usahawan (YB Datuk Haji Mohd. Naroden bin Haji Majais): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. For the information of Ahli Yang Berhormat for Dudong, the Sibu Industrial Park Sungai Bidut is a Federal funded project through irreversible loan. Our Ministry have received instruction from the Ministry of International Trade and Industry (MITI) that the project is put on hold pending decision from the new Federal Government. In fact, the site has been identified and acquired under the State fund. Site survey and engineering design has been completed and we are ready to tender the project this year. Unfortunately, the project has to be differed because of the instruction from the new Federal government. At this juncture, there is no further directive from the Federal Government on this project.


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Thank you. YB Datuk Tiong Thai King: Tuan Speaker, thank you for answering my question. Tuan Speaker, I have two supplementary questions. (Supplementary Question):

(a) What are the reason for delay to implement the proposed Sibu Industrial Park knowing that Sibu badly need a proper Industrial Park?

(b) What are the other industrial development projects undertaken by the Ministry

for Sibu and what are the other status?

Thank you.

Menteri Muda Pembangunan Perusahaan Kecil dan Sederhana dan Usahawan (YB Datuk Haji Mohd. Naroden bin Haji Majais): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker and Ahli Yang Berhormat for Dudong. Tuan Speaker, Sibu is such a very important town in the State. Why? Because Sibu is the only town in the State and in fact, in the whole country that produces and repair ships and sell the ship as far as Europe and Middle East. So this is why the government sees that Sibu is not only strategically located near SCORE but it has the potential to make Sibu the world class shipping industry in the world.

So for the case of Sungai Bidut, I would not wish to speculate but we have been informed by MITI, as I have said, that the value management left has been postponed and the approved allocation has been differed or they used the word “ditangguhkan”. I really hope that the new Federal Government will reconsider to reinstate the implementation of Sg. Bidut for the sake of development of SMEs particularly the ship builders in Sibu. Kesianlah orang Sibu. So apart from Sibu Industrial Park, the Ministry is currently undertaking two under State funded projects Ahli Yang Berhormat:

(a) Upgrading works of Rantau Panjang which is value estimated of RM7.7 million and is progressing as scheduled and should be completed by the end of this year (another two months) and at the same time, the Ministry is also looking into developing Rantau Panjang Phase II which is costed at RM120 million and is expected to complete by middle of 2019;

(b) This project is an expansion of the existence of Rantau Panjang Phase 1 catering for the ship building and ship repairs particularly for Sibu. Kesianlah orang Sibu, I think I would like to urge not only Ahli yang Berhormat for Dudong but particularly representatives of Pakatan Harapan (PH) in this Dewan to lobby from the PH Government for new fund to develop Sibu particularly to cater for especially in ship building in Sarawak.

Thank you. Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat Datuk Mong Anak Dagang.

NCR Land Perimeter Survey in Bukit Begunan Constituency (10) YB Datuk Mong Anak Dagang bertanya kepada Menteri Pembangunan Bandar dan Sumber Asli. Regarding NCR land perimeter survey, in Bukit Begunan Constituency, how many applications have been received, work in progress and those already completed survey works on individual lots?


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Menteri Muda Perancangan Bandar, Pentadbiran Tanah Dan Alam Sekitar (YB Datu Haji Len Talif Salleh): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. Terima kasih, Yang Berhormat bagi Bukit Begunan. Untuk makluman Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Bukit Begunan, setakat 30 September 2018, sebanyak 26 permohonan telah diterima bagi pengukuran perimeter tanah adat NCR di dalam kawasan DUN Bukit Begunan. Daripada jumlah tersebut, sebanyak 15 kawasan telah siap diukur dan diwartakan sebagai Rizab Komunal Bumiputera (Pertanian) di bawah Seksyen 6 Kanun Tanah Negeri. Dua kawasan lagi akan dimulakan pengukurannya manakala lima lagi terlibat dengan bantahan serta pertikaian sempadan. Tiga permohonan sedang dalam semakan Jabatan Tanah dan Survei manakala satu lagi kawasan yang dipohon tidak tertakluk kepada tuntutan hak adat Bumiputera.

Bagi kawasan yang telah diwartakan, sebanyak empat kawasan telah diluluskan untuk pengukuran lot individu mengikut Seksyen 18 Kanun Tanah dan satu kawasan tidak dapat diukur kerana terlibat dengan pertikaian sempadan manakala tiga lagi pengukuran akan dimulakan tertakluk kepada kesediaan penuntut tanah di lapangan.

While on this issue, allow me, when I was on the way to Dewan Undangan Negeri

Sarawak this morning, I read in a newspaper, statement dari Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Ba’Kelalan and I quote, the heading “NCR Land Recognition is more Important than its surveys”. Then I quote, “The issue of the survey NCR Land is not as important to the people as the recognition of their Customary Rights to the land. This is because NCR exists whether it surveyed or not. Its existence does not arise from the survey. Being a lawyer as it is, and very good at that, but then again, you don’t have to be a lawyer to be mindful to the fact that rule of the law must prevail.”

Bermakna, jika kita tidak mengikut undang-undang yang termaktub yang telah

diluluskan di dalam Dewan Undangan Negeri ini, you can see what chaos can happened on the ground. Jadi, this matter need to be resolved and more detailed reply will be forthcoming in a few days time. Jadi, Tuan Speaker, I hope this sort of statement should not be uttered by a lawyer and by Dewan Undangan Negeri Honorable Members’ and being a lawmaker in this Dewan Undangan Negeri, but it can create havoc on the ground. Thank you very much.

YB Datuk Mong Anak Dagang (Supplementary Question): Tuan Speaker, I think it is my floor, so I have two questions:

(a) Apakah masalah yang telah dihadapi ketika pengukuran dijalankan? Di

manakah kawasan tersebut dan apakah permasalahan di lapangan?

(b) Apakah faktor-faktor yang boleh menjayakan pengukuran individu tanah tersebut?

Menteri Muda Perancangan Bandar, Pentadbiran Tanah Dan Alam Sekitar (YB Datu Haji Len Talif Salleh): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. Terima kasih sekali lagi kepada Yang Berhormat dari Bukit Begunan. Untuk makluman Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Bukit Begunan, kawasan yang dimaksudkan merupakan kawasan Kampung Kubau Ulu Pantu, Sri Aman yang berkeluasan 640 hektar. Setakat 30 September 2018, penutup tanah belum dapat memuktamadkan sempadan kawasan yang dituntutkan oleh mereka memandangkan terdapat permasalahan pertikaian sempadan yang masih belum diselesaikan. Ini mengikut Seksyen 18 Kanun Tanah.


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Bagi menjawab soalah kedua, untuk makluman Ahli Yang Berhormat faktor-faktor utama yang menentukan kejayaan pengukuran lot individu adalah:

(a) Kesediaan penuntut tanah NCR untuk tanah mereka diukurkan oleh lot individu;

(b) Penuntut mengemukakan pelan lakaran kasar yang menunjukkan lot-lot yang dituntut;

(c) Lokasi dan penuntut tanah telah dikenal pasti; (d) Penuntut tanah hadir di lapangan semasa kerja-kerja pengukuran

dilaksanakan;dan (e) Ketua Kampung atau Tuai Rumah telah mengesahkan tiada pertikaian

sempadan di antara penuntut-penuntut tanah.

So this is the condition that will allow for the process to proceed unhindered on the ground. Thank you very much. Tuan Speaker: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, question time is up. We have a short break. Dewan resume at 10:45 a.m.

(Mesyuarat ditangguhkan pada jam 10.18 pagi) (Mesyuarat dimulakan pada jam 11.00 pagi)

USUL DARIPADA MENTERI

Tuan Speaker: Ahli-ahIi Yang Berhormat, I have received a motion dated 2nd November 2018 from the Honourable Member of Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports and the Honourable Member for N.15 Asajaya under Standing Order 23 (1)(a) read together with Standing Order 89 and Article 24 (1) of the State Constitution. Before I invite the Honourable Minister to move his motion, let me state the ground rules. As a proposal the Honourable Minister will be given opportunity to debate on this motion to be followed by the Honourable Assistant Minister for Corporate Affairs and Honourable Member for Semop as a seconder. Thereafter, it is open to the floor for other Honourable Members to participate in the debate. I shall imposed a 10 minutes limit on the speeches of the Member to be followed up by the winding up by the Honourable Minister. I shall now call upon the Honourable Minister for Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports and Honourable Member for Asajaya to move his motion. Menteri Pelancongan, Kesenian, Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sukan (YB Datuk Haji Abdul Karim Rahman Hamzah): Bismilahirrahmannirraahim. Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh. Tuan Speaker, I beg to move a motion pursuant to Standing Order 23 (1) (a) read together with Standing Order 89 and Article 24 (1) of the State Constitution as follows: WHEREAS on the 5th September 2018 the Federal Cabinet has decided to form a steering committee (MA63 Committee) chaired by Yang Amat Berhormat Prime Minister comprising of representatives from the Federal Government, Sabah and Sarawak to review the implementation of the Malaysia Agreement 1963 (MA63); AND WHEREAS the subject matter under the purview of the MA63 Committee is of a immense importance to safeguarding the special rights and position of Sarawak as agreed under MA63 and the constitutional instruments annexed thereto as well as to aspirations to Sarawakian for greater autonomy;


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AND WHEREAS the special interest and aspirations of the people of Sarawak ought to be firmly advanced, articulated and impressed upon the MA63 Committee through Sarawak’s representatives; AND WHEREAS Honourable Members of the House being the representatives of the people would be able to provide crucial input for the advancement of the above aspirations and to safeguard the special interest, rights and position of Sarawak as enshrined and in the MA63 and in the Federal Constitution; THEREFORE IT IS HEREBY MOVED THAT THIS HOUSE RESOLVES THAT pursuant to Standing Order 89 read with Article 24 (1) of the State Constitution, a Consultative Committee comprising of members from all political parties be established to determine and agree upon the representations for submission to the Sarawak representatives of the MA63 Committee to advance and safeguard the special interests, rights and position of Sarawak as enshrined in MA63 and the Federal Constitution and to meet the expectations of Sarawakians for greater autonomy and devolution of powers to the State. Tuan Speaker, on the 5th September 2018, the Federal Cabinet has decided to form a steering committee consisting of 16 members. This Committee is chaired by Yang Amat Berhormat Prime Minister and is made up of another eleven members representing the Federal Government with only 2 each representing Sabah and Sarawak. Due to this extremely lopsided composition of the MA63 Committee, Yang Amat Berhormat Chief Minister had written to the Prime Minister requesting for a review of the composition to take into account the status of the parties as equal partners when the Federation of Malaysia was formed. It was suggested that something akin to the structure of the Inter-Governmental Committee (IGC) be used as a model. As a matter of fact, the Council Negeri had on the 26th September 1962 adopted without dissent the motion on this establishment, composition and terms of reference of the IGC and its Sub-Committees prior to the formation of Malaysia. Tuan Speaker, bearing in mind the subject matters under the purview of the MA63 Committee relate to the special rights and position of Sarawak which is very close to the heart of all Sarawakian. It is imperative that a mechanism be put in place to ensure the views and aspiration of Sarawakian are incorporated into the representation to be submitted on behalf of the State to the MA63 Committee. This was also done before the Inter-Governmental Committee establish to make recommendation to safeguard the special interest of Sarawak and North Borneo which is now called Sabah was established in 1963. The IGC reports recommendation were incorporated into the Malaysia Agreement and as one of the constitutional instruments annexed thereto which led to the formation of Malaysia. Tuan Speaker, Honourable Members of this august House, are the representatives of the people of Sarawak. All Sarawakians would want, indeed demand their representatives put forward what is in the best interest of all Sarawakian. This is so irrespective of political allegiance. Consequently, it is my view that the mechanism to determine and agree upon the representation to be made to the MA63 Committee for the safeguard to the special interests and position of the State and in seeking for greater autonomy would be through the establishment of a Consultative Committee under Standing Order 89 and Article 24 of the State Constitution. Tuan Speaker, in the event that this august House resolve to establish the Consultative Committee, my proposal is for the Panel to be guided by the following terms of reference. Firstly, to meet and to agree upon the representations to be submitted by the Sarawak Representatives to the MA63 Committee. Secondly, to ensure that these representation are consistent with the objective of advancing and safeguarding the special interests, rights and position of Sarawak as enshrined in MA63 and the Federal Constitution.


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And thirdly, the representations should meet the expectations of Sarawakians for greater autonomy and devolution of powers to the State. Tuan Speaker, as I have mentioned in my Motion, this is a matter which is very close to the heart of all Sarawakians irrespective of political allegiance, race and religion. It is therefore proper in my view that the composition of the Consultative Committee consists of representative from all political parties represented in this august House. The proposed members are as follows:

1. YB Datuk Amar Asfia Bin Awang Nassar- Chairman; 2. YB Datuk Abdul Karim Rahman Hamzah; 3. YB Dato Sri Wong Soon Koh; 4. YB Puan Hajjah Sharifah Hasidah Binti Sayeed Aman Ghazali; 5. YB Datuk Abdullah Bin Saidol; 6. YB Datuk Snowdan Lawan; 7. YB Datuk Haji Idris Bin Buang; 8. YB Datuk Sebastian Ting; 9. YB Dato Henry Harry Jinep; 10. YB Encik See Chee How; and 11. YB Puan Irene Mary Chang Oi Ling.

It is also proposed that the tenure of this Committee be for a period up to the conclusion of the term or work of the MA63 Committees review or until this august House otherwise decide. Tuan Speaker, to conclude, I urge all members of this august House to support this Motion to send the strongest message possible that in the matter of the rights and interests of Sarawakians, the people of Sarawak firmly stand as one. I beg to move. Tuan Speaker: I shall call upon the Honourable Assistant Minister for Corporate Affairs and the Honourable Member for Semop to second. Menteri Muda Hal Ehwal Korporat (YB Encik Abdullah Bin Haji Saidol): Assalamualaikum Tuan Speaker and distinguished members of the august House, Yang Berhormat.

Tuan Speaker, first, the course of preparing my speech to support this motion, I must admit it is not an easy task because I have to remind myself many times that the spirit of this Motion is about the fate of beloved state of Sarawak and the future of all Sarawakians. Within this limited moment and in this august House where representatives of elected individual who basically represent the people of Sarawak assembled and our task amongst others not just as law makers but also structuring, deliberating and eventually concluding the various policies and directions of our State of which in the end will affect the welfare and prosperity of the Sarawak people direct or indirect and also the progress of our State in term of physical and human development. The challenge for me is to ensure that my supporting speech is not too much of what I think or my opinion but it is about the feeling or sentiment out there when the subject of Sarawakian’s rights and interests are being spoken or discussed from various level of thinking or knowledge and people from various walk of life amongst politicians, learned professor, people at the coffee shop, youths, professionals, those in the civil sectors, fishermen etc, etc.

My observation and I hope we share the same feeling is that, majority of Sarawakian talks passionately and many too, emotionally when this subject of our State rights and interest are being spoken from various angles and perceptions.


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I can’t help but to admit that the tone of frustration, dissatisfaction and sense of bitterness amongst Sarawakian are becoming obvious and prominently glaring. Why does this happening? Why the unhappiness?

Tuan Speaker, now allow me to revisit a brief moment in history, 55 years ago, in 1963, many of us here today either was not even born yet or were very young and probably some amongst us were matured enough to remember how was Sarawak then. Sarawak, 55 years ago, we were backwater, under develop, many people were poor and poverty was rife.

At the same time, our forefathers, and leaders and Sarawakian as a whole, are facing the threat of communism, China was trying to expand and Indonesia was dominated by Parti Komunis Indonesia which had territorial claims in this region. The Philippines was also hostile at that time because of their claim to Sabah.

Probably not many of us can imagine or truly understand those anxious moments in history. Amongst many reasons, knowing very well that we can’t defend ourselves, let me make the story short, our past leaders decided on 16 September 1963 became a party to a bigger Federation and the formation this nation called Malaysia.

Sarawak interests and rights were safeguarded by the recommendations of the Cobbold Commission which was enshrined in the Malaysia Agreement 1965 and embedded in the Federal Constitution.

Tuan Speaker, a reminder from Apai Jugah, he said before the formation of Malaysia, “anang baka tebu, manis ba pun tang tabar ba ujung” which mean, “do not be like the sugar cane, sweet at the beginning but become tasteless towards the end.”

Tuan Speaker, saya tidak berkeberatan untuk berkata, mungkin mewakili nada majoriti warga senegeri bahawa “Tebu” yang pernah kita rasa manis dulu kini bukan hanya terasa tawar malah sedikit pahit kerana kita sedang mengunyah sepahnya.

Keresahan di kalangan warga negeri Sarawak semakin menebal kerana kita rasa terpinggir dalam hubungan kekeluargaan kita dalam Malaysia. Mengapa kita rasa terpinggir?

Kerana kita rasa layanan dari Kerajaan Persekutuan tidak seperti yang kita harapkan. So, apa sebenarnya yang kita harapkan dari Kerajaan Persekutuan?

Kita sebenarnya mengharapkan Kerajaan Persekutuan melayani kita di Sarawak sebagaimana selayaknya sebuah Negeri atau entity yang sama-sama menubuhkan negara Malaysia ini.

Rakyat Sarawak mahu melihat negeri ini sama maju seperti pembangunan yang dinikmati di Semenanjung Malaysia. Bermakna kita di Sarawak mahu peruntukan yang besar atau yang munasabah dari Kerajaan Persekutuan.

Sejak sekian lama, kita di Sarawak bertolak ansur dan bersedia untuk berkongsi hasil ekonomi terutama dari hasil minyak dan gas kerana kita percaya pentadbiran negara yang berpusat di Kuala Lumpur akan membangun negara ini termasuk Sarawak secara inklusif dan adil. Kita di Sarawak benar-benar dahagakan pembangunan terutama ke arah luar bandar. Kita mahu bertindak cepat dalam usaha merapatkan jurang keselesaan antara warga desa dan bandar.

Dalam keadaan kita dahagakan peruntukan, kita mengharapkan kerajaan persekutuan akan membantu menghilangkan atau meringankan rasa beban “dahaga”


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tersebut tapi sebaliknya “air” atau peruntukan yang diharapkan dari kerajaan pusat semakin mengecewakan malah kita bukan sahaja terasa haus dan dah mula rasa lapar. Pendek kata tebu yang pernah kita kunyah dulu dah rasa macam buluh.

Tuan Speaker, dulu kita di Sarawak tidak ramai anak negeri yang mempunyai pengalaman dalam mengurus berbagai aspek dalam pentadbiran negeri. Sebab itu dulu ramai guru dan pentadbir di negeri ini datang daripada Semenanjung Malaysia. Sebab itu beberapa kuasa pentadbiran yang sepatutnya milik negeri, diurus oleh negeri diambil alih secara sedar atau tidak oleh Kerajaan Persekutuan. Tiba masanya kita mahu kuasa tadbir yang jelas milik negeri seperti yang termaktub dalam Perjanjian Malaysia dan Perlembagaan Malaysia dikembalikan ke Kerajaan Negeri Sarawak. Pendek kata, tiba masanya kita menyatakan dengan jelas dan tegas kepada Kerajaan Persekutuan untuk mematuhi hak negeri seperti yang termaktub dalam perlembagaan. Bukan sahaja yang berkait dengan kuasa tadbir tetapi juga tentang hak ekonomi.

Sarawak dan Malaysia secara keseluruhannya telah mencapai kemerdekaan dari penjajah melalui rundingan. Bermakna kita bertuah kerana kemerdekaan kita tidak melalui peperangan atau pertumpahan darah kecuali semasa kita mempertahankan diri daripada ancaman komunis. Bermakna kita mampu untuk bersikap wajar, berhemah dan matang dalam usaha untuk berunding dengan Kerajaan Persekutuan dalam hasrat kita untuk menuntut kembali hak dan kepentingan negeri daripada Kerajaan Persekutuan. Tidak perlu kita bersikap hostile dan berkasar kerana itu bukan adat dan pekerti anak Sarawak yang terkenal dengan perpaduan dalam berbagai kaum, agama dan adat. Cukuplah kekacauan dan kemusnahan di negara-negara lain. Kita tidak mahu berlaku kekacauan di negara ini terutama sekali di Sarawak.

Tuan Speaker, Kerajaan Persekutuan yang baru yang ditadbir oleh Pakatan Harapan telah menubuhkan Steering Committee, Jawatankuasa Steering atau Pemandu untuk kajian semula pelaksanaan Perjanjian Malaysia. Jawatankuasa ini terdiri daripada 16 orang dan hanya 2 dilantik untuk mewakili kepentingan dan hak Sarawak dan 2 juga daripada Sabah.

Dari komposisi Jawatankuasa ini, kita tidak nampak layanan sama rata yang selayaknya negeri Sarawak harus kecapi sebagai entiti yang sama-sama menubuh Malaysia. Kita tidak dapat mengelak untuk bersikap curiga dan kurang yakin dengan bagaimana suara kita akan dilayani dalam perbincangan Jawatankuasa ini nanti.

Pihak pembangkang dalam Dewan ini yang juga salah seorangnya anak Sarawak tetapi sebahagian daripada parti yang memerintah Kerajaan Persekutuan, berkata bahawa isu komposisi Jawatankuasa tidak penting malah menuduh wakil kita, Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri dalam Jawatankuasa tersebut sebagai penakut. Chicken out.

Ini bukan isu penakut atau chicken out, ini tentang soal prinsip. Kita mahu struktur asas platform rundingan mestilah seperti kedudukan IGC dulu. Kalau kedudukan asas seperti ini tidak dihormati oleh Kerajaan Pusat, Pakatan Harapan, saya tidak nampak mereka mampu untuk menghormati perkara-perkara yang lebih berat dari itu.

Tuan Speaker, kita ikhlas, Kerajaan GPS Sarawak ikhlas ingin bekerjasama dan menjalin hubungan yang baik dengan Kerajaan Pusat. Kita menghormati pilihan rakyat dan kita raikan proses demokrasi yang berjalan lancar dan berakhir secara aman. Saya tidak nampak yang kalah seperti yang dilakukan oleh ramai penyokong Pakatan Harapan sampai baring-baring atas jalan atau buat kacau bilau.

Tetapi jangan salahkan orang Sarawak untuk bersikap berhati-hati atau curiga tentang hubungan kita dengan Kerajaan Pusat Pakatan Harapan yang ada sekarang kerana


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antara lain contohnya, yang dijanjikan dalam pilihanraya melalui manifesto mereka, yang mereka janjikan akan ditunai dalam masa 100 hari tetapi dijanjikan tebu manis akhirnya yang dapat abu. Tidak tertunai. Seperkara lagi, tanpa segan silu, pemimpin mereka kata Janji Manifesto bukan kitab suci yang harus ditepati.

Sikap begini membuat kita semakin curiga. Seminggu yang lepas seorang bertaraf Timbalan Menteri, anak Sarawak, dalam Kerajaan Pusat, Pakatan Harapan yang juga berada dalam Dewan ini berkata dengan penuh yakin dan angkuh, Sarawak akan menikmati peruntukan yang besar berjumlah, equivalent, kata 30% royalti minyak untuk pembangunan tapi bila Belanjawan Negara dibentangkan beberapa hari yang lepas, habuk pun tidak ada.

Secara ikhlasnya ataupun peribadi, saya amat bangga kerana ada wakil kita di Kerajaan Pusat walaupun kita berlainan parti politik, kita ada seorang bertaraf Menteri penuh dan seorang bertaraf Timbalan Menteri. Semalam saya kata Assistant Minister but I was being corrected dia kata, “No, not Assistant Minister, YB Semop, its Deputy Minister, okaylah”. Deputy Minister. Kita bangga dengan pelantikan ini supaya mereka dapat mewakili hak negeri kita dan suara negeri Sarawak tetapi sekali lagi saya merasa curiga, kita merasa curiga tentang bagaimana Kerajaan Pusat menghormati kedudukan kedua wakil kita dalam pentadbiran, dalam Kabinet Pusat.

Contohnya, saya tidak dapat mengelak untuk membuat andaian bahawa mereka tidak hanya dipandang sebelah mata sahaja dalam proses drafting of the, preparing of the Budget. Sebab itu kita melihat Belanjawan yang dibentangkan baru-baru ini agak mengecewakan dalam hal ke arah negeri Sarawak. Contohnya, keratan surat khabar Utusan Sarawak, ini beritalah, kalau mereka tipu bohonglah saya ini nampak gaya. Bertarikh 5 November, hari Isnin, Yang Berhormat Menteri Kerja Raya, dari Sarawak kita, Yang Berhormat Encik Baru Bian dengan jelas berkata “saya tidak dapat komen, saya tidak ada perincian tentang belanjawan tersebut”. Bermaksud saya terpaksa membuat andaian bahawa Menteri kita dari Sarawak ini was not, was never been consulted about, the budget.

Saya berasa kasihan jugalah kenapa Menteri kita dilayani begitu dan seterusnya

dalam Utusan Sarawak bertarikh juga Isnin, 5 November, Timbalan Menteri KPNDKK kita yang juga Ketua Pembangkang, Ketua Pakatan Harapan Sarawak, heading dia kata “Chong akui tidak tahu butiran Belanjawan 2019”. Saya, I, with full honesty, it is not my intention to

highlight this in my list. On the other hand, I feel sympathize. Saya merasa kecewa dan juga kasihan kenapa Menteri dan Timbalan Menteri kita dari Sarawak yang berada dalam kabinet Federal dilayani sebegini. Disebabkan keadaan beginilah kita tiada pilihan untuk bersikap curiga.

Tuan Speaker, kesimpulannya, usul untuk menubuh Jawatankuasa Perundingan (Consultative Committee) ini wajib disokong. Wajib disokong oleh setiap individu anak Sarawak dalam dewan ini tulang darah dan nafasnya anak Sarawak. Kita mesti sokong secara majoriti oleh setiap wakil rakyat dalam Dewan ini.

Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri Abang Jo, minta izin menggunakan perkataan Abang Jo, yang menjadi wakil kita, warga negeri Sarawak dalam Jawatankuasa Pemandu (Steering Committee) di peringkat Persekutuan bukan hanya kerana beliau adalah Ketua Menteri Sarawak tetapi kita mahu kedudukan beliau diperkasakan dan disokong oleh Jawatankuasa Perunding di peringkat DUN ini sebagai tanda bahawa kedudukan wakil kita di meja rundingan dengan pihak Persekutuan nanti adalah mewakili setiap nada, setiap jiwa dan denyut nadi anak Sarawak.


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Wakil kita Yang Amat Berhomat Ketua Menteri Abang Jo ada telah memberi satu pantun…ikan gelama, ini pantun beliau bila dia dituduh ‘chicken out’ dan penakut hari itu, ini

pantun beliau untuk didengari kita semua.

Ikan gelama ikan bersisik, Dibuat gulai lebihkan kuah,

Anak Sarawak jangan diusik, Kalau diusik terimalah padah.

Dan kami warga negeri ingin membalas pantun tersebut.

Laksa Sarawak hidangan kita, Penuh semangkuk si udang galah,

Anak Sarawak bersatu sekata, Jiwa besar takkan mengalah,

Tuan Speaker, I fully support the motion move by the Honourable Member of

Asajaya for the establishment of the Consultative Committee under Standing Order 23 (1) (a), read together with the standing Order 89 and Article 24 (1) of the State Constitution. Hence, therefore, I beg to second and before I resume my seat I also call upon all the Honourable Member again to give their full support and unqualified support to this motion. I beg to second the motion. Thank you. Tuan Speaker: I shall call the Honourable Member to speak but I impose 10 minutes on their speech. Any Honourable Member want to speak? Honourable Member for Tasik Biru. YB Dato Henry Harry Anak Jinep: Thank you Tuan Speaker. Sarawak is a multi-racial state, multi religions and diverse culture and background. No one can claim this state is a single race owned land, soil and country. It must be we Sarawakian owned state. Therefore, it is aptly that we need to setup this Consultative Committee representing the Rakyat of diverse all of major racial breakdown so us not to repeat the similar overlook, not a mistake, but overlook decision when PDA 1974 being introduced or tabled though it is not relevant to Sarawak. Malaysia is jointly formed between Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak. It is therefore significantly appropriate to have a committee that can analyse, evaluate, debates, discuss before a decision is made on behalf of the State. When we mention equal partners the Steering Committee being setup by the Federal Government there is an important element of fairness that have been ignored, that is equal representation from the three partners. For example, if there is three representatives from Malaya there must be also three representatives each from Sabah and Sarawak, not more not less. We have seen it and has not been to be the way it should be and of course the final decision to be brought up on behalf of Sarawak into the Steering Committee must be a conclusive decision of the Consultative Committee after taking into the consideration of inclusiveness of the Sarawak interest and not any single person can claim that he or she is representing Sarawak. I support the motion by the Honourable Minister of Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports. Thank you, Tuan Speaker. Tuan Speaker: Honourable Member for Ba’kelalan. YB Encik Baru Bian: Terima kasih Tuan Speaker. This issue to review the implementation of MA63 was and is an issue close to the hearts of all Sarawakians who knows the history of our Federation. Let it be known to all those in and outside this august House, that we from the Opposition, have been raising this issue since we were in the Opposition, still we are at


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the State level. Therefore, we eventually, incorporated this particular issue in the Pakatan Harapan Manifesto before GE14 and the move now by the Federal Government is therefore in accordance with the Pakatan Harapan Manifesto. Tuan Speaker, it is interesting to note that, my good friend, Yang Berhormat Assistant Minister dari Semop had quoted the very known statement by Apai Jugah which I still recall it in bahasa. Jangan Malaysia hanya menjadi seperti tebu, manis di pohon tawar di hujung. Tuan Speaker, if I am not mistaken, I have referred to this statement at least twice in this august House in my speeches in the previous sittings of this House…(Interruption) Tuan Speaker: You did. YB Encik Baru Bian: Thank you, Tuan Speaker. Tuan Speaker: The correct version, anang Malaysia baka tebu, manis di pun tabar di ujung. YB Encik Baru Bian: Pia ya, aku setuju nya amat. Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. It is good finally that many of us realize this situation. Tuan Speaker, therefore this Ministerial Motion is fully supported by all of us in the Opposition side. As it would be consistent with the decision by the Federal Cabinet on the 5th September 2018. And I am sure Tuan Speaker that this Consultative Committee would be of God help to the Federal Steering Committee desire to review and implement the spirit and the terms agreed under the MA63. May I Tuan Speaker, propose that the Consultative Committee hereby constituted under the Standing Order 89 and Article 24 (1) of the State Constitution, must make periodic and all seasonal report to this august House as specified and required under Standing Order 78 of this House to assure that all the Honourable Members are fully briefed on their deliberation, proceedings and advices advanced and articulated and impressed upon the MA63 Committee. With that, Tuan Speaker, may I just record that we fully support the proposed motion passed by the Minister for Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports. Thank you so much Tuan Speaker. Tuan Speaker: Honourable Member for Telang Usan. YB Encik Dennis Ngau: Thank you, Tuan Speaker. We welcome Yang Amat Berhormat Prime Minister, Tun Mahathir agreement to set up a joint committee, comprising representative from Semenanjung Malaysia, Sarawak and Sabah to review the Malaysian Agreement 1963, commonly known as MA63. In response to Sarawak and Sabah request for reinstatement of their rights under MA63 which have been eroded over the years. The MA63 to which the United Kingdom Government, Federation of Malaya, Sabah, Sarawak and Singapore are signatures, form the basis of Federal Constitution of Malaysia, which gave rise to the Federation of Malaysia. Without MA63, there is no Malaysia. All Sarawakian know that very well. MA63 was signed after intense negotiation by the Inter-Governmental Committee (IGC) which comprise of representative from four signatory parties that is United Kingdom Government, Federation of Malaya, Sabah, Sarawak and Singapore. The review of MA63 which is such a fundamental legal and constitutional document must be done with utmost care and most must comply with same protocol as was done by the parties to MA63 in 1963. The MA63 set out the special rights and privileges of Sarawakian and since the propose to review of MA63, we shall impact and impinge on the rights and privileges of all Sarawakian. It is only right that this propose review of MA63 must involve our rakyat. Honourable Members of this august House are the elected representative of the rakyat. Therefore the rakyat mandate in any negotiation on MA63 can only be done through their


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elected representative. No other person or authority has mandate to negotiate on behalf of our rakyat and our State of Sarawak unless duly mandated by this Dewan Undangan Negeri.

As such, the proposal for the setting up of the Consultative Committee comprising Members of this august House including those from the Opposition bench, I suggest to represent the rakyat and advise the team which will represent the State in the MA63 negotiation is the right thing for us to do. The key role for the Consultative Committee is both to provide expert advice and support to the negotiating team and also to highlight a report to this august House. Any additional mandate, if required by the team for negotiation.

With regards to the composition of membership of the Consultative Committee and

the Negotiation Team, it is not for any one party, including the Prime Minister, to decide.

Only the State Government as represented by the august House has the authority to appoint

the members of the Consultative Committee and negotiation team representing the State.

Tuan Speaker, on the same note, I would like to urge that the Consultative

Committee and the Negotiation Team or members to have representatives from all the

communities as what was done with the original MA63 Negotiation Team members formed

in 1963 where even a minority community like ours, the Orang Ulu in the State, was

represented rightly by the late Orang Ulu paramount Chief, Temenggong Datuk Lawai Jau

from Baram.

Having a selected committee firmly emplaced in the process of MA63 negotiation to

restore what is rightly ours in MA63, is not only legal but of most important to ensure a

complete, firm and a correct decision for the State of Sarawak. A reference could be made to

ongoing tussle surround BREXIT where we all know that the court decided that the rightful

body to make decision in related matters is their Parliament House.Therefore, we are not

wrong in passing of the Motion today.

Let us Sarawak, a small but proud State on the famous Borneo Island, show the

world how to do the right things. I firmly believed every Sarawakian outside there, both in

rural and urban, will rejoice in the passing of the Motion to form the Consultative Committee

as this will reflect their participation in MA63 negotiations. We want to assure them the State

of Sarawak under the able leadership of the Right Honourable Chief Minister, Datuk Patinggi

(Dr) Abang Haji Abdul Rahman Zohari Bin Tun Datuk Abang Haji Openg, is people centric in

his Government and we always have the people at heart and form the core basis and

reference in the Sarawak State Government’s major decision.

Despite of our difference in life or political affiliations may be, let us put our beloved

Sarawak State upper most and the matter before us is of paramount importance for the

current and our future generations. Let’s be part of a history that our future rakyat will

remember with a smile and respected especially all of us related directly or indirectly in this

important decision.

Therefore, I urge all those sitting on the opposite bench in this august House, not to

fail in upholding Sarawak’s interest because you get too caught up with what your Malaya

boss thinks of you. Your intense desire to make yourselves look good compromised your

ability to stay true to yourselves. Let us be free from that and support whole heartedly the

leadership of truly local Sarawak party and harness all strength whatever left in our body to

make Sarawak continue to grow great and be the envy of others. As Stephen Covey says, “I

am not a product of my circumstances, I am a product of my decision”. Let’s not allow non-

Sarawakian to decide for our future and fate but ourselves.


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To conclude, for the reason I have just explained, I fully support and urge all

Members of this august House, including our Honourable Members from the Opposition

bench, to support the Motion. Thank you, Tuan Speaker, for giving me the time.

Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Jemoreng.

YB Dato’ Murshid Diraja Dr Juanda Bin Jaya: Assalammualaikum warahmatullahi

wabarakatuh, Tuan Speaker.

Tuan Speaker: Waalaikumsalam.

YB Dato’ Murshid Diraja Dr Juanda Bin Jaya: Pantun.

Nyiur gading puncak mahligai,

Sayang ketupat berisi inti,

MA63 mesti ditunai,

Rakyat Sarawak jangan dimain-main lagi.

(Applause)

Tuan Speaker, semalam kita mendengar pembentangan oleh Yang Amat Berhormat

Ketua Menteri yang disifatkan sebagai belanjawan bersejarah untuk Negeri Sarawak. Dan

hari ini sekali lagi Dewan yang mulia ini akan menempa sejarah dengan pembentangan usul

berkait dengan pelaksanaan MA63, suatu perjanjian yang telah berusia 55 tahun yang

sehingga kini, janji tinggal janji. Harapan yang tidak boleh diharap, impian yang kita bimbang

menjadi impian yang kosong.

Kalau kita sendiri, anak-anak Bumi Kenyalang tidak bangkit berjuang untuk

memastikan semua pihak melaksanakan janji, bukannya hanya menyebut dan tandatangan

janji tapi janji dicapati. Pihak Kerajaan Sarawak dari dulu hingga hari ini sentiasa bertindak

dalam batasan yang dibenarkan oleh Perlembagaan Malaysia yang disepakati bersama. Ini

adalah tindakan masyarakat bertamadun.

Oleh itu, saya menyeru semua Ahli Dewan yang mulia ini untuk menyokong usul ini

agar membuktikan semua Ahli Dewan yang mulia ini adalah orang-orang yang setia kepada

Negeri Sarawak, Ibu Pertiwiku, bukannya sekadar hot air. Kita bela Sarawak tapi bila sampai

di Malaya, takut dan tunduk kepada pihak di sana. Takut bersuara, takut memberi

pandangan, takut buat cadangan bajet, barangkali takut juga kepada Perdana Menteri yang

ketujuh. Akhirnya alasan mereka, dulu kenapa tidak buat? Ya, dulu barangkali ramai takut

kepada Perdana Menteri keempat sebab dia ada majoriti yang besar, terlalu besar, terlalu

dominan. Tetapi hari ini kita hairan dengan rakan-rakan Ahli Parlimen yang memiliki majoriti

utama dalam Kerajaan sedia ada, takut kepada Perdana Menteri ketujuh yang hanya ada 12

orang Ahli Parlimen.

Come on kawan-kawan sebelah sana, fight lah untuk Sarawak. Fight for our Sarawak

Budget in Parliament, fight for Sarawak’s Rights. Ini tidak, dalam DUN Sarawak bising,

sampai Parlimen diam menikus. Pemimpin kami di sini dengan Perdana Menteri keenam

pun tak takut kalau kita takut, masakan arwah Tok Nan berani hapuskan tol di hadapan

muka Perdana Menteri keenam, bila beliau kata orang yang buat tol itu tolol. Kita orang

Sarawak berani membela hak-hak rakyat Sarawak.


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Tuan Speaker, loyalty kita mestilah kepada Ibu Pertiwiku, our motherland Sarawak.

Sebab itu, jangan mudah tuduh orang lain hot air, traitor dan sebagainya. Semalam Yang

Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri telah buat langkah besar dengan melaksanakan Oil and

Mining Ordinance (OMO) yang telah Dewan yang mulia ini pinda dalam mesyuarat yang

lepas. Kita ambil hak yang merupakan milik kita. Ini tidak, orang yang kata mahu

perjuangkan Sarawak dapat 30% bajet bunyi macam tak gembira. Semalam surat khabar

lapor beliau bertanya lagi, apakah ini ikut undang-undang? Saya mahu tanya dalam Dewan

yang mulia ini, apakah mereka mahu Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri naikkan cukai

petroleum itu daripada 5% kepada 30%? Kalau 5% pun dia tak setuju, apalagi 30%.

Ada lagi Ahli di sebelah sana tanya, apakah ini cukai petroleum telah bincang dengan pihak

pemain-pemain petroleum dan gas? Come on kawan sebelah sana. Tempoh lebih tiga bulan

telah diwar-warkan setelah pindaan Oil Mining Ordinance dalam sidang Dewan yang lalu.

Mustahil kaya raya yang berniaga petroleum dan gas tak baca suratkhabar, tak baca

facebook, sosial media dan sebagainya. Pihak Kerajaan ini lakukan perkara ini semua

dalam rangka Perlembagaan. Apakah kawan-kawan kita yang tidak gembira ini tidak baca

Perlembagaan ataupun apakah mereka tidak suka hak Sarawak dikembalikan? Atau mereka

dan pihak di sebarang Laut China Selatan tersepit dengan tindakan Sarawak yang menuntut

balik hak-hak mereka.

Ada juga saya dengar cakap-cakap sebelah sana yang kata kenapa tak buat dari

dulu? Kenapa buat sekarang? Saya hairan. Kerana itu, Tuan Speaker, saya mahu tanya,

mereka ini nak apa sebenarnya? Apa yang kamu mahu? Kami buat, salah, kami tak buat,

salah. Kamu mahu apa sebenarnya? Kami pula mahu tanya, kamu buat apa dalam Parlimen

dan di Kerajaan Pusat? Kamu buat apa untuk Sarawak? Saya jawab, apa mereka buat?

”Bo liao”, ”yilek”, ”nadai”, ”maibai”, tidak ada. Apakah ini bukti kalian semua benar-benar

loyal kepada motherland Sarawak Ibu Pertiwiku. Saya tak pertikai loyalty sesiapa, saya

cuma tanya, Tuan Speaker, apakah bukti kamu benar-benar loyal kepada Ibu Pertiwiku,

Negeri Sarawak?

Tuan Speaker, hari ini hari bersejarah. Dewan yang mulia ini buat langkah yang

besar. Langkah ikut Perlembagaan, bukan ikut suka hati. Langkah ikut Undang-Undang, ikut

IGC yang asal, ikut sejarah asal penubuhan Malaysia. Kita mahu masa depan Persekutuan

Malaysia ditentukan oleh Dewan yang mulia ini yang merupakan wakil yang sah kepada

rakyat Sarawak, bukan Kabinet Malaysia, bukan mana-mana pihak di luar sana. Apa-apa

keputusan berkaitan nasib Negeri Sarawak pada masa depan hendaklah ditentukan oleh

Wakil-wakil rakyat Sarawak yang duduk dalam Dewan ini, bukan ditentukan oleh pihak lain.

Apa-apa keputusan hendaklah dirujukkan di dalam Dewan yang mulia ini demi autonomi

yang lebih meluas dan penurunan kuasa-kuasa yang sebenar kepada Kerajaan Negeri

Sarawak.

Tuan Speaker, dengan rendah diri, saya mohon menyokong usul ini. Terima kasih.

Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Kota Sentosa.

YB Encik Chong Chieng Jen: Thank you Tuan Speaker for giving me this opportunity to participate in the debate of this Motion. Tuan Speaker, first of all, I would like to applause the inclusive approach adopted by the Honourable Member for Asajaya, Minister for Youth and Sports to propose this Motion to set up a Consultative Committee which includes representatives from all parties. I would not stoop so low as the Honourable Member for Semop, to use this opportunity to trade punches. For a Motion which is such important to the rights and privilege of Sarawak, I will go straight to the points. It has been said by Member for Satok, Honourable Member YAB Chief Minister that the composition in


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the Steering Committee set up by the Federal Government, the numbers are lopsided. There is only two from Sarawak, representing Sarawak. Let’s not forget Member for Ba’Kelalan, Minister for Works, he is also from Sarawak. He is the third one, and there are five from Sabah.

Well, on that note I would like to also remind that please do as preach while you are

complaining that the Steering Committee members are not fair, unfair to Sarawak, here we are setting up Consultative Committee whereby DAP is only represented by one person and the most junior of the ADUNs and PKR is also represented by one person. As such Tuan Speaker, I would like to propose to the Honourable Minister that to include one more each from PKR and DAP and I propose as Honourable Member for Tanjung Batu as he is the most senior among us. He will be also included together with Honourable Member from Bukit Assek in the Consultative Committee and also for PKR Krian be included as well. Tuan Speaker, I am not going into the rhetoric of sentiments about MA63 but I will go into the content of this Steering Committee of this MA63 to implement, how it is going to be implement and what is in the MA63. So much has been spoken about implementation of MA63. The terms and provision in MA63. I thought many of you here have actually read the MA63. MA63 the agreement incorporates, incorporate, MA63 incorporate the reports of the Inter-Governmental Committee (IGC). In IGC, there are stated many areas, power which is under Federal and some residual power under State. And if we are talking about implementation of the MA63 and to review it, we have to look at where we start. In the Malaysian Agreement Articles 8, “It is provided that the Government of the Federation of Malaya, North Borneo and Sarawak will take such legislative, executive and other actions as may be required to implement the assurance undertakings and recommendation contain in Chapter 3 of an annexes (a) and (b) to the report of the Inter-Governmental Committee signed on 27th February 1963. In so far as there are not implemented by express provision of the Constitution of Malaysia.” i.e beside devastating what is the power to be vested in the Federal and power to be vested in the State, the MA63 also envisage the future amendments of the law, passing of the law in Parliament affecting the jurisdiction of power, vis-a-vis the State and the Federal. Now let’s go to the starting point, MA63. What are we fighting for? Under MA63, education, education is vested in the Federal. The power to regulate or to administer education matter is vested in the Federal Government with the qualification in para 17 of the IGC report, i.e certain aspect, okay. I just highlight here in particular the present policy of the Borneo States regarding the use of English shall continue until the Government of Sarawak otherwise provide. And number two, bearing in mind, knowledge of the Malay language should not be required as a qualification for any educational opportunity until such time as the State Government consider that sufficient provision has been made to teach Malay in all schools in the State. That was the starting point where English should remain as a medium of instruction but that has unvaried. That has unvaried now Bahasa Malaysia is the medium of instruction. Medical Health is vested in the Federal.

Trade Commerce Industry including export import with the exception of laws are vested in the Federal jurisdiction. So Honourable Minister for Youth and Sport, I would just like to ask, please enlighten us here when you are talking about restoring our position in the MA63, what areas of powers that you are intend to get back for the State of Sarawak? And also for that note Tuan Speaker, along the way powers have been eroded, State power have been eroded. May you also enlighten us what are the State power that has been eroded? And even then how was it eroded? For instance, just now one of the Members has


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mentioned Petroleum Development Act which was passed in 1974, whereby our Oil and Gas Resources was surrendered to Petronas in exchange of 5% royalty. Tuan Speaker, who tabled that Act? Who tabled that Bill in Parliament? It was none other than our present Governor, who was the Minister for Perusahaan at that time in the Federal? It was our Governor. Why did he tabled that Bill? Why did he tabled that Bill taking away our State rights over oil and gas? As a very capable leaders of Barisan Nasional, he should have some reasons or justifications for doing that. Can you tell us? So for the winding up of this motion debate by the Honourable Minister, I seek the clarifications on these few points. Number one, what were you be fighting for? What are the areas and powers and jurisdictions that you see in MA63? That has been eroded, that has been taking away by the Federal Government with the consent of the Sarawak State Government over all these years and also Sarawak Barisan Nasional who has absolute majority of the Members of Parliament in the Federal Parliament. So this is question number one. Number two, why and how these powers so called powers that was supposed to be the State power, why and how were this power been eroded and surrendered to the Federal Government during BN time? So this is I think it is a pertinent question. Pertinent question that we must ask, I would not want to dealt with the sentiments but let we approach it rationally, all right, where we start? How we start? Where are we at that time when this agreement was signed? Alright, as I see it under MA63 not much power was stated in the State. The State has not much power, a lot of the power is vested in Federal Government. That was the starting point if we are talking about how to restore to the MA63 position. Then I think I would call upon the Consultative Community even to go beyond. If you are really talking about devolution of power in education in medical, if you go back to the starting point of MA63, you have no power. It was stated there black and white IGC report which was incorporated in Malaysian Agreement and which was later passed as the Federal Constitution. Time’s up? Ya, so I urged the Consultative Committee and I urged and appeal to the Yang Amat Berhormat Chief Minister be courages in the Steering Committee. You have the full backing of Sarawakian, all three million Sarawakians to represent us. But I mean, lets cut out all these rhetoric and sentiment. Let’s go to the fact what are the power that you want, and I urge this committee to go beyond, to go beyond the MA63 and to truly fight for the devolution of power to the State especially in the areas in the field of education. Thank you, with that, I’ll support this motion. Tuan Speaker: Honourable Member for Batu Kitang.

YB Ir Lo Khere Chiang: Thank you Tuan Speaker, for giving me opportunity to debate on

this. I would like to support the Motion by the Minister for N.15 Assajaya to form this Steering

Committee chaired by the Yang Amat Berhormat Prime Minister comprising of

representative from Federal Government Sabah and Sarawak to review the implementation

of Malaysian Agreement 1963. And I would like to congratulate the Honourable Member

Ba’Kelalan and member from opposite bench for supporting this motion. Please, MP for

Stampin. I am sorry he has left here. Anyway, please don’t just stop give us back full

autonomy on education and health as promised before GE 14. Let Sarawak decide on our

own. Education and health policy. Stop your play acting on the 20% oil royalty. Don’t

associate 20% oil royalty with trying to give us back health and education. Just give back

whatever Pakatan Harapan have agreed and promised before the election. For the

information of everyone here, I’m sure all of us agree Sarawak do not recognize PDA 74, the

Territorial Sea Act as it has not been passed through Sarawak DUN. Sarawak acknowledges

full ownership of our oil and gas and this rights to our land and resources is non-negotiable.


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Tuan Speaker, this is the best time for all of us to hold Sarawak. Fair land Sarawak

near to our hearts. This is the right time to revisit MA63 and to access the bridges of MA63

by the Federal Government. We deserve the right to determine the actual views of all

allegeable Sarawakian and if these breaches have been made, we have the right to

determine our position in Malaysia. This is to show the Federal Government how these fixed

deposit and king maker really feels after so many years of neglect in breaches as well as the

unacceptable imposition directly or indirectly of the racial, religious and cultural influences

which are detrimental to our unity in diversity. We all have to stay united as Sarawakian to

achieve this goal. And there is no better time than now to demand for this rights back.

Friends from KL used to ask me why we appear to be more restless now and even

more opinionated on Sarawak issues and they asked why this feeling of regionalism is

coming back with such vigour and fervour? Two things come into my mind, our friends and

Malaysians in general, friends from KL, friends from Semenanjung, they do not realize that

there is MA63 an agreement between Sarawak, Sabah, Singapore and the Federated

Malaysian states initially. Without MA63 there is no Malaysia and this so-called new

Malaysia are Sarawakians waking up to taking a stand not only for ourselves but for the

future generations of Sarawakian. We are deeply concerned about the purported restoration

of MA63 from Putrajaya and the payment of 20% oil royalty and gas from Petronas based on

production. Until the Federal Government returns Sarawak’s power as contained in MA63,

Sarawakian will continue to harp on it from the DUN to the coffee shops. Many are fed up

with the procrastination of pressures and promises from Pakatan Harapan. Before the

election Pakatan Harapan made promises on the return of our rights. The new Government

has been formed but they are still dragging their feet on the returning of autonomy back to

us. As I mentioned just now, just returned health and education back to us. It is no wonder

that the people are feeling agitated over the reluctant and abstinence of Pakatan Harapan to

recognise and to fulfil MA63.

Sarawak needs all the money that we have that was extracted from Sarawak. It is

ironic that while peninsular Malaysia enjoy the best infrastructure, many rural areas in

Sarawak do not even have basic amenities like pipe water, electricity or proper roads leading

to homes. With RM15 billion in oil and RM49 billion in gas from Sarawak annually. We are

begging for pittances and crumbs of 5% thrown at our feet annually. 5% is just over RM1

billion, where is the logic in this? We want full ownership of our oil and gas which is rightfully

ours and why are we so far behind economically when it is our oil and gas that is being used

to improve Peninsular Malaysia’s elevated lifestyle. Sarawak wants good roads, good

schools, good hospitals, medical care and affordable housing comparable to our

Semenanjung partners. It is our oil and gas after all. Don’t we deserve it? Lets not forget

that Sarawak produces 850,000 barrels of oil. At RM291 per barrel equivalent to RM250

million each day to benefit the Federated States of Malaya.

With that I would like to support once again this motion and thank you very much

Tuan Speaker for the opportunity to debate.

Thank you.

Tuan Speaker: The Honourable Member for Samalaju.

YB Encik Majang Anak Renggi: Tuan Speaker, saya mengucapkan terima kasih kerana

memberi ruang kepada saya untuk turut serta dalam perbahasan mengenai Usul

Penubuhan Jawatankuasa Perundingan Perjanjian Malaysia 1963 (MA63) di Dewan yang

mulia ini.


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Saya ingin merakamkan tahniah dan syabas serta mengalungkan sejambak

kalungan penghargaan kepada Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelancongan, Kesenian, Belia dan

Sukan Sarawak serta Kerajaan Negeri kerana berpandangan jauh ke hadapan sehingga

terungkap dan tersingkaplah hasrat membentuk Jawatankuasa Perundingan MA63 bagi

Negeri Sarawak untuk mengurus sebaik mungkin isu Perjanjian Malaysia yang kita lebih

kenali dengan nama MA63.

Adalah menjadi tanggungjawab saya sebagai wakil rakyat ingin membawa suara

rakyat untuk berkongsi pandangan dalam memperkuatkan dan memperteguhkan lagi usul

menubuhkan Jawatankuasa Perundingan MA63 dalam menjaga dan membela hak-hak

Negeri Sarawak.

Tuan Speaker, penubuhan Jawatankuasa Perundingan MA63 amat bertepatan sekali

dengan kehendak semasa dan membuktikan ketegasan dan kesungguhan Kerajaan Negeri

dalam menangani isu ini. Kita tidak mampu lagi berterusan kehilangan hak dan sewajarnya

menuntut kembali segala hak yang telah terhakis selama ini. Contohnya, Oil Mining

Ordinance, 1958 yang merupakan undang-undang Negeri berkaitan dengan penggalian

minyak dan gas yang telah diluluskan dan berkuatkuasa pada 9 Jun 1958 sebelum

terbentuknya Malaysia. Malah Seksyen 73 Akta Malaysia, 1963 dan Perkara 2(C) dalam

Jadual ke-9 Perlembagaan Persekutuan menyatakan bahawa undang-undang sebelum

terbentuknya Malaysia adalah berkuatkuasa dan kekal bagi Negeri Sarawak.

Namun demikian, Tuan Speaker, hak tersebut cuba diselindung melalui Petroleum

Mining Act tahun 1966 serta Proklamasi Darurat, 1969. Lebih derita lagi, apabila Petroleum

Development Act (PDA) 1974, pernah menidakkan sekian lama hak yang sepatutnya dimiliki

oleh Sarawak. Sementara itu, isu-isu lain seperti borneonisasi, kuasa Imigresen, pendidikan

dan sebagainya kian berani dipersoalkan. Sekiranya tidak ditangani ia akan membawa

implikasi yang mendalam kepada seluruh anak Sarawak suatu hari nanti.

Oleh itu Tuan Speaker, langkah bijak untuk menubuhkan jawatankuasa ini

sewajarnya dipacu bersama tanpa mengira fahaman politik bak kata pepatah “bulat air

kerana pembentung, bulat manusia kerana muafakat” agar gema suara lantang

berkumandang dalam usaha kita untuk berperjuang menuntut kembali hak-hak Sarawak.

Usahlah merasa ragu-ragu dan sangsi lagi. Jangan membiarkan hati kita teragak-

agak dan berbelah bagi. Marilah kita berdiri teguh bukan di belakang Yang Amat Berhormat

Ketua Menteri Sarawak, malahan melangkah sebaris sederap dengan beliau, sebagai tanda

sokongan padu demi rakyat Sarawak yang kita bela dalam memperkasakan Negeri Sarawak

ke arah negeri maju menjelang 2030 dan selepasnya.

Kalau tidak kerana cuaca, Tidaklah rosak padi di sawah,

Kalau hendak seribu daya, Berjuang terus jangan mengalah.

Dengan yang demikian, sebelum menoktahkan untaian kata, saya mohon

menyokong penuh Usul Penubuhan Jawatankuasa Perundingan Perjanjian Malaysia 1963

(MA63).

Kuih baulu daun selasih, Sekian dahulu terima kasih.

Tuan Speaker: The Honourable Member for Balai Ringin.


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YB Datuk Snowdan Lawan (Menteri Muda Belia dan Sukan): Thank you, Tuan Speaker

for granting me this opportunity and I rise as did my fellow comrades to participate in

debating this Motion on the establishment of Consultative Committee who will be

representing our beloved state of Sarawak to review the implementation of MA63.

Tuan Speaker, I truly believe that a true Sarawakian who loves this motherland of

ours, the Land of Hornbill, would not, and shall not stand contrary to the spirit of establishing

this committee. And the spirit is that, this Committee shall be formed comprising the people

from Sarawak who are duly bound to advance and safeguard the special interest, rights and

positions of Sarawak as enshrined in the MA63 and the Federal Constitution. We are

hopeful that they could carry this spirit throughout. We place our expectations on them.

All Sarawakians, politicians or otherwise shall stand impartial on this issue, I urge.

Tuan Speaker, history revealed to us that the MA63 was signed between Malaya,

Singapore, North Borneo (Sabah now) and Sarawak in 1963 and was arbitrated, endorsed

by the Government of Great Britain then. These were parties privy to the Agreement and the

Committee structure was Inter-Governmental in nature. And by virtue of that, it became an

International Treaty.

And it is in this agreement that our special interest, our rights and positions, or the

“must do” were written, sealed and endorsed. So this agreement is of paramount and

immense importance to us Sarawakian because now, we feel that the agreement has been

breached, gradually and had cause uneasiness.

Arising thereof, this uneasiness promoted the Federal Cabinet to form a Steering

Committee (MA63 Committee) to review the implementation of Malaysia Agreement 1963 of

which, again the composition is lopsided and did not reflect an equitable representation from

Sarawak.

If Sarawak is to be equally represented, I strongly believe that, first, we shall select

our own Consultative Committee and only send them to review the implementation of the

MA63. It is not for the Federal Cabinet to dictate who our representatives are for we know

who is the best for us. Thus, this motion should be supported by all members of this august

House irrespective of our political ideologies or obligations.

Tuan Speaker, why we should established our own Consultative Committee reviewing the implementation of MA63?

1. Sarawak is a direct party with an “equal status” as Malaya, Singapore and North Borneo (now Sabah) when this agreement was mooted from the very beginning and concluded then. Being an equal partner Sarawak should have an equitable representation in all deal, negotiations and conclusions;

2. Over the years we noted that some forms of “breaches or non compliance”

had occurred by the Federal Government such as power centralization in the pretext of “Federalism” or “Nation Building” or “National Integration” instead of “devolution”. This is quite peculiar in education, civil service, contracts and GLCs from the Federal. This Consultative Committee will act for us;

3. The Steering Committee formed by the Federal Cabinet on the 5th September was lopsided and did not reflect an equitable representation for Sarawak and Sabah. There are 12 members from the Federal but only 2 each from Sabah and Sarawak representing their own state. Notably, Sarawak is being under-presented;


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4. There ought to be representative from the United Kingdom to this Committee because the UK was privy to the MA63 agreement then, rendering the agreement becoming a valid International Treaty and if breached, any remedy would also require the presence of the same parties privy to it;

5. Representatives from Sarawak shall not be those dictated by the Federal Cabinet but would be Sarawakian of our choice and are professionals excellent in their own fields such as lawyers, cabinet ministers, historians, and scholars alike. In other word we know what is the best for us. The onus is for Sarawakian to pursue this burden to their utmost ability, and not others; and

6. Moreover and to avoid further degradation and erosion of our special interest, rights and position, this Committee shall also take the form of an Inter-Governmental structure as did the original model.

In the event that this august House resolves to establish the Consultative Committee and besides having Sarawak’s interests and rights and positions in mind, I would also like the Committee to explore further some arrears of concern such as;

1. Was the agreement rendered null and void ab-initio (from the beginning) when

in 1965 one of it’s partners, Singapore left the merger and stand on it’s own?; 2. Supposedly, there were four partners in the agreement and after Singapore

left it became three. Was there any review or any fresh agreement signed thereafter or does the existing agreement still hold weight?;

3. Was the agreement honoured or breached, and who are the culprits hat breached the agreement such that the agreement appears “mala fide” – with intent to deceive;

4. How would the person who breached the agreement provide remedy and ratifications or reciprocate?;

5. In the event that the agreement is breached, would it entitle Sarawak to pursue this in the International Court of Justice (ICJ)?; and

6. What would be Sarawak “locus standi” if we are to pursue this in ICJ.

If we are to review any agreement that have been breached, I believe these are fundamentals issues which deserves some thoughts and ratifications, (if need be), failing which, it would seem that “we are only trading from one breach to another”.

Before I end my speech Tuan Speaker, I would like to share with all of us here in this

august House a quotation by Alan Bennett and it goes like this, “Sometime there is no next time, no time outs, no second chances. Sometimes it’s now or never”.

And of course, the famous and ever popular Elvis Presley enforced this via his oldies

song entitled “Its now or never, tomorrow will be too late”.

With that, I strongly support the establishment of this Consultative Committee and urge all of us in this august House having this common stand, for our beloved state of Sarawak.


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Thank you very much. Tuan Speaker: The Honourable Member for Pelawan. YB Encik David Wong Kee Woan: Thank you, Tuan Speaker. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to participate this all important motion to form a Consultative Committee comprising the members from all political parties to establish and determine the presentation for submission to Sarawak representative of MA63 Committee to advance and safe guide the special interest, rights and the position of Sarawak as lying in MA63 and the Federal Constitution for greater autonomy and devolution of powers to the State.

Tuan Speaker, first I must take my position that I support the formation of this Consultative Committee and has been long overdue for decades, if I may put it this way. Tuan Speaker, allow us to revisit what was lost during the last 55 years since we became a partner to the formation of Malaysia. Let me read some of the wrong which have been inflicted on Sarawak and when it was inflicted. It wasn’t under our fourth Prime Minister and the current Prime Minister Tun Mahathir time when all this happened as mentioned by the Honourable Member of N44 Jemoreng. I think he owes our Prime Minister an apology.

1. 1976 Tuan Speaker, through Act A354 our Sarawak MP’s from Barisan Nasional have agreed to amend Article 1 of the Federal Constitution downgrade Sarawak to become one of the 13 states, instead of 1 of the equal partner with Sabah and Malaya Federation. The Secretarial General of SUPP, Honourable Members of Piasau admitted that his party has not objected and had help to passed amendment which essentially made Sarawak one of the 13 States. That was in 1976 under Tun Hussein Onn Prime Ministership not Tun Mahathir.

2. The PDA which is a thong in the heart of all Sarawakians which was basically

sold our rights to oil and gas resources for a mere 5% to Petronas was tabled by non other by our current TYT in Parliament and supported by all the Barisan Nasional MP from Sarawak in 1974 not by Tun Mahathir as Prime Minister that was also Tun Hussein Onn.

3. The Territorial Sea Act 2012 was passed in parliament with the full support of the State BN MP’s has reduce the Sarawak Maritime Authority to 3 nautical miles or 5.5 km from the coastline. The act reduce the limit of Sarawak territorial waters or Sarawak rights to fisheries mining and mineral resources and so forth at basically sold all rights to our rightful resources.

Tuan Speaker, that was under the Prime Ministership of Tun Najib not under Tun

Mahathir. Tuan Speaker. Sarawak rights has been taken away under the watch of Barisan Nasional, State BN now the GPS and the State GPS has not first apologies to all anak Sarawak, first as the first stage to right what was wrong and don’t have to give excuses or duck the question, our Prime Minister Tun Mahathir has actually apologies to Sarawakian for allegedly eroding the rights of Sarawak although all the above Acts happened not during his tenure as the PM, why can’t Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri do likewise? Historical facts cannot be spun. Tuan Speaker and the hansard record of Malaysia Parliament can be checked out if the GPS or any party is curious about what happened to Sarawak’s rights.

Tuan Speaker, I like to ask the Chief Minister the following question, are all the

members of this Pakatan Harapan, members of Pakatan Harapan in this house Sarawakian? Do you consider us as Sarawakian? That’s number one. Number two, are the people in our


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constituencies Sarawakian or does this depend on who they take as ADUN. Number three, if the answer to one and two above, if we are Sarawakian, then why are the Pakatan Harapan ADUN not gives fair allocation such as those of GPS ADUN. We are all Sarawakian. When the GPS want us to be Sarawakian. We are staying united today in this dewan to talk about this important motion but when they don’t need us we are not Sarawakian. We are not being treated fairly. Tuan Speaker, there is no doubt, we are setting on the wrong foot. To start with this motion, when three of the Political Secretary of the Chief Minister participated in the Sarawak exit event recently two days ago. Three of the Political Secretary from SUPP, Political Secretary of Chief Minister. They support Sarawak exit from Malaysia. So we are actually setting this on the wrong foot. So we want to ask the Chief Minster what is his stand about Sarawak exit from Malaysia? If we have his stand, what is this motion all about I think this is important, we want is the State’s position from the Chief Minister, it must be address about Sarawak’s position to set the correct footing before we move forward. If we take a confrontational approach to this motion, to this MA63, about this committee; on the Federal level, how are we going to convince the Prime Minister and our counterpart in Sabah and Sarawak that we should move forward.

To conclude, Tuan Speaker, I think it is time for the Chief Minister to adress what

happened in 1974, 1976 and 2012, when we lost most of our rights and to apologize to the Sarawakians although he was not the Chief Minister when Tun Mahathir was. That will show that he is a true stateman. Thank you, Tuan Speaker. Tuan Speaker: The Honourable Member for Piasau.

YB Datuk Sebastian Ting Chiew Yew: Thank you very much Tuan Speaker for giving me the opportunity to join Honourable Members of this august House to debate on the Ministerial Motion under Standing Order 23 (1A) read together with Standing Order 89 and Article 24(1) of the State Constitution to formulate a Consultative Committee comprising members representing all political parties in this august House to be established to determine and agree upon the representation for submission to Sarawak representative of MA63 Committee and to advance and safeguard the special interest, rights and position of Sarawak (enshrined) in MA63 and the Federal Constitution and more importantly to meet the expectation of Sarawakians for greater autonomy and evolution of powers to the State. I am a Sarawakian Tuan Speaker and I am very proud to be a Sarawakian and I will at any time speak and fight for Sarawak rights. We talk about the formation of Malaysia MA63, 55 years ago, a lot of things has happened and never before MA63 until the late Tok Nan became the fifth Chief Minister of Sarawak on 28 February 2014. After he was sworn as fifth Chief Minister on the 1 March 2014, so many things he has done and the greatest of all in my opinion was that he started a movement, safeguard, Sarawak Autonomy. This Sarawak autonomy movement, I called it a movement because it involve inclusive all Sarawakians from Lundu all the way to Lawas. All Sarawakians, I would say all or some may not join him, work with him. That was why when we enter into the fifth PRN Election 2016 out of 82 seats, 72 seats were won by then Barisan Nasional now GPS.

That was the support people of Sarawak gave to our then Chief Minister and now led by new captain our present Chief Minister Datuk Patinggi Abang Johari. Some would say, that was then the past. No. That mandate continues. During the time when I was not even Yang Berhormat being elected, I was then with the former Minister Tan Sri Peter Chin as his political secretary. When invited to school during 31st August so called National Celebration in school. I always say this, Sarawakians, there are three dates, you all must know and must remember.


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First, July 22nd 1963. At that time was it not a holiday but nevertheless I said, this is important, this was the date where Sarawak had our first Chief Minister. We took control to administer the state of our beloved country then. Some people say independence, some people say just administrative control, does not matter, so long its ours, for us to administer. That would be the first.

31st August 1957, Independence Day, we were all led to believe people like us here.

We were led to believe and still led to believe that it is an independent day for Malaysia. That is wrong. It is, it was the independent day for Federal States of Malaya 1957, Sarawak and Sabah, nothing to do with us. We were led to believe because history books continue until now that Sarawak and Sabah join Malaysia. We never join.

During the time when Najib was the Prime minister, SUPP Youth wrote a letter to our

Prime Minister then, asking the Prime Minister then to say, can you ask the Minister of Education change the facts of our history book that Sarawak and Sabah did not join Malaysia? We form Malaysia together with Federated States of Malaya, Singapore then, and Sabah, and Singapore left in 1965.

When the new Government came in, I have spoken three times to the press to urge

the Minister of Education, the new minister, to instruct the Ministry of Education; change the facts of history book, have it recorded rightly that Sabah and Sarawak together with Federated States of Malaya form Malaysia. We are all equal partners.

Before election, probably Honourable Members here also saw a video going round,

soliciting for votes. We are three partners he said, probably you all know, I would not want to mention his name here. A member, senior member of Pakatan Harapan Government. Three, he said, without Sabah and Sarawak, there wouldn’t be any Malaysia and he used the word shameful, very shameful why Sarawak and Sabah still not getting the rights to our oil and gas. They get 5% only. He said, he used the word “shameful”. I was so much tempted to use that video recording to say what he said here. He had the opportunity to give us more money. The first budget in Federal, what did we get? Four point something billion and without any specific thing. We don’t even know whether this amount is including ... (Interruption)

Tuan Speaker: Honourable Member, you have two minutes more. YB Datuk Sebastian Ting Chiew Yew: Two more minutes only. I have a lot to say. (Laughter)

Now, the third important date is, of course, September 16, 1963. We have Malaysia formed. That was so important. Who gave us this holiday, Malaysia as a holiday? Najib. Not the other Prime Minister. Please don’t disturb. Now, with this 916 these are three dates our Malaysians should know. I would say, I proceed. Then, be gentle la, be gentle la, gentleman la. When you speak I don’t interrupt, I never like to interrupt. So when I speak don’t interrupt. Don’t be so rude, please, don’t be so rude. Now, of course I think that with this few words I concur and I would like to congratulate our Honourable Minister, Member for Asajaya for introducing this Motion and I fully support this Motion. With this, thank you very much, Tuan Speaker.

Tuan Speaker: The Honourable Member for Nangka. YB Dr Haji Annuar Bin Rapaee (Menteri Muda Pendidikan dan Penyelidikan Teknologi dan Menteri Muda Perumahan dan Kesihatan Awam): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker, kerana memberi ruang kepada saya untuk turut serta dalam perbahasan ini. Saya ada lima perkara sahaja yang akan saya sentuhkan.


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First, I would like to urge all of us here not only in this Dewan but the whole State of Sarawak to be together to pursue what we are trying to fight today. This is very important because it’s never too late for us to fight the rights for all our Sarawakian. Previously, may be we here at the State level we are also the Government and at the Federal level we are also the Government. But now the scenario has changed. Two different parties. The other party Pakatan Harapan is at the Federal Government. Whereas here we, Gabungan Parti Sarawak is the Government at State level. If you cannot fight at the Federal level, we will help you to fight for it. This is what we all mean be together, be united in this issue. There is nothing else better than unity in our fight for the people of Sarawak. I know it’s not easy if you are in the Government to fight or to checkmate or to say something to your political masters. That’s a no. But I hope this scenario will continue where Pakatan Harapan will be the Government at the Federal and the Gabungan Parti Sarawak will be the Government at the State level. (Applause) So that we will be together in the fight. Number two, I am glad, very, very pleased today, Tuan Speaker, to note that Kota Sentosa has urged all of us here to stop rhetorics. He has been using rhetorics for the last 20 years in this Dewan. (Applause) Now he is already being appointed, have an obligation, have a responsibility, please do it. Stop being rhetorical. He has been given the responsibility. (Interruption) (Inaudible) You are not 20 years in this Dewan but you have been more than 20 years in politics.

Number three, Tuan Speaker, the Kota Sentosa have said the Chief Minister should be more courageous to fight in this Steering Committee. And he also said that he should not be chickened out before attending the meeting. This is nothing to do or be more or less courageous or being chickened out. What the Chief Minister is trying to say is that it must be in the form of a better way of negotiating. We must be given the same numbers. If three in Semenanjung, three is Sarawak as well as three in Sabah. This is what we say more democratic. We don’t want totalitarian in this issue. We want everybody to have a say. The Sarawakian consist of many races. All of these voices have to be heard because they own the State of Sarawak.

Number four, Tuan Speaker, is what we said majority. In democracy, if you don’t win majority, you cannot form the Government. If you don’t have the majority, you cannot make the decisions. Even the judge in the court decides based on majority as well. This is a very important issue. Unless it is a totalitarian Government, we don’t need majority. But this is so important that the voice of the majority must be heard. That’s why the majority plays important role in this committee.

Lastly, Tuan speaker, I would like to urge this Committee, whatever has been

decided or whatever has been discussed at the higher level should be brought back to the Dewan to be discussed and to be endorsed by this highest body in the State of Sarawak to decide whether we agree with that such decision. And with that I will beg the Motion. Thank you very much. Tuan Speaker: The Honourable Member for Bukit Goram. YB Encik Jefferson Jamit Anak Unyat: Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker, kerana memberi peluang kepada saya untuk membahas the Ministerial Motion yang dibentang oleh Yang Berhormat Minister for Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports, Sarawak. Tuan Speaker, I rise to support the Ministerial Motion moved by the Minister for Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports, Sarawak.


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First of all, I fully support Yang Amat Berhormat the Chief Minister to lead Sarawak in this Steering Committee MA63 which is chaired by the Yang Amat Berhormat Prime Minister. This motion is very relevant and important because all decisions will affect the State and the people of Sarawak. However, it would be wrong and indeed unfair for only the two members alone in the Steering Committee to decide for the entire population of Sarawak.

The Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak is therefore the most appropriate forum to decide for the people of Sarawak. Therefore, the appointment of the Committee and decision by members of the Committee must be referred to the Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak.

Secondly, membership from Sarawak should reflects the original signatory of

Malaysia Agreement, MA63. Therefore, the Committee should be represented by all communities to be included in the Committee.

The late Tun Jugah Anak Barieng who was considered the Paramount Chief of the

Iban, was the signatory of Malaysia Agreement. And here I also, therefore, I appeal that as an Iban, that the Iban also must be included in the Committee.

Tuan Speaker, Yang Berhormat Baru Bian, ADUN for Ba’Kelalan and MP for

Selangau is a member of the Federal Government Cabinet. Although he is a Sarawakian but he is considered a Federal leader. I am afraid he will not be very brave enough to speak for Sarawak. As said by Kota Sentosa, belum mesyuarat sudah mengaku kalah. So thus, Tuan Speaker, minus Yang Berhormat Encik Baru Bian, there would be no Dayak in the Committee.

So in addition, the number of members of the Steering Committee should also be

fairly represented among the three equal partners of Malaysia namely Malaya, Sarawak and Sabah. Out of 16, two (2) is very small. It is not equal when you mention about equal partners. On Febuary 15, 1962, I will refer back history, Honourable Member for Kota Sentosa say that we did not read history, saya baca banyak dari you, I come from the family member of signatory of Malaysia. I think you are wrong when you mentioned that we here do not know about MA63. I think you are totally wrong

On 15 February 1962, a Dayak meeting or Aum Besai Dayak was held in Fort Sylvia at Kapit attended by 51 Penghulus by the late Temenggung Jugah anak Barieng. During the meeting to leaders it was 54 and attended by 51. The meeting of the 51 leaders, Dayak leaders get their support to the formation of Malaysia and attached the signatures and thumbprint to the agreed 13 points which are their conditions for supporting the Federation and without and I may say without Kapit 13 points in conditions by Dayak leaders I am afraid there may be no Malaysia also, if you want this agreed 13 Points it can be found at Fort Sylvia Kapit now today. So with that Tuan Speaker, I fully support the Ministerial Motion move by Minister of Tourism, Art, Culture, Youth and Sport Sarawak. Thank you.

Tuan Speaker: Any other Member wishes to speak? The Honourable Member for Muara Tuang. YB Dato’ Haji Idris bin Buang: How much time do I have Tuan Speaker? Tuan Speaker: Like the others, ten minutes.


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YB Dato’ Haji Idris bin Buang: Thank you very much Tuan Speaker. I would like to record my heartiest support for this Motion tabled by Yang Berhormat Menteri, Honourable Member for Asajaya. I would like also to put on record my appreciation to Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri, it is because of his aspiration, an inspiration actually that this motion is being tabled. As we were told he got the idea or ilham at 5.00 am in the morning during his prelude of the subuh prayer, I believe. Anyway, this particular Consultative Committee that we are going to form is very pertinent and imperative for Sarawak.

As we all know, there are many views about how much MA63 has benefited Sarawakians. You can feel it, you can see the social media, some are extreme views even to the extent of taking Sarawak, trying to take Sarawak out of Malaysia. Some have very, what we call, emotional views which touch on religion, race and so on. Now, why is this particular Consultative Committee so important? It is because we do not have the what we call the avenue, the right avenue to bring whatever we want into Parliament because of the political, we can say structure that we have now or even before. The people of Sarawak from as we were told from Lawas to Lundu some in the kampung, some in the surau, masjid, churches, clubs, kedai kopi and so on, they all talk about MA63 now.

Now, Yang Berhormat for Kota Sentosa did touch on one very important technical question. “What in MA63 are we fighting about? That we are not satisfied about.” I just have one simple answer for him that MA63 was the one that helped us formed Malaysia; MA63 was signed on July 9, 1963 before the formation of Malaysia. Malaysia was formed on the basis of MA63 and in the spirit of whatever recommendation made by the Cobbold Commission as well as the IGC with proper safeguards both constitutionally as well as culturally for Sarawak.

Now, Yang Berhormat for Kota Sentosa had mentioned that most of the powers have

been given to the Federal per our Constitution. Yes, it is true, like education, healthcare and so on. Now, what we are going to deal with in this Consultative Committee is to get the views of everybody, the disgruntle, the agreed views of many which include also about healthcare, about education, you see, we are reviewing, we are revisiting what were the rise that we gave up, the power that we gave to the Federal as well not just that we were, you know, made to believe that is for us to dwell upon like land or mine, whatever it is, forest, as well as other things that the State has. But this is also looking into what had the Federal leaders done to safeguard our increase, to fulfil our needs based on the powers given to them. For example like hospitals, schools and so on.

We have been grappling with this problem of dilapidated schools for many years and

to date we are face with the need by billions of ringgit to restore that and at the last budget nothing was really mentioned about that for Sarawak as you know. That is why Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri coming to salvage this situation by giving Sarawak with the best budget ever because we are not going to wait and let our people suffer. Just because Federal does not giving us the best, whatever.

So I am saying that, Yang Berhormat for Kota Sentosa, we had to look into whatever

power they have also, we may not have that constitutional power to change just yet but whatever it is, its depend on what issues we want to bring up. But, at least, this Consultative Committee will be the backing for Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri to deal with the joint Committee that Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri has formed.

Now, his inspiration to bring to this Dewan through our Yang Berhormat Menteri for

this motion be table is to include all the peoples of Sarawak as I said from the surau, kedai kopi, masjid, clubs, churches, so on, tua pek kong, whatever it is, so that this deals including those who wants to bring Sarawak out of Malaysia. We want to know why? This is a holistic approach cause all they want and for all, and we have to tell the Federal leaders that


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Sarawakian are mindful of their rights and we want them to be mindful of our rights too. They cannot put all the things into our, and dump into our throats. There is no way, so this is just also a message to say that please respect our rights, respect our aspirations, respect whatever had been done by our forefathers in fulfilling the needs of Sarawakian than by signing this MA63 and giving up whatever rights or powers to the Federal Government upon trust and upon the hope that there would be executed implemented in the best possible in the interest of all Sarawakians.

So, that is one thing but the other thing is also to see how much of our rights have

been …(interrupted)…

Tuan Speaker: You have two minutes Ahli Yang Berhormat. YB Dato’ Haji Idris bin Buang: Yes, okay… land and so on. How much power do we have? They must respect. We have formed PETROS, we have formed many things and yesterday we had the sales tax to be imposed on that. That is the thing that they must respect, they must be mindful, they must respect Sarawakian and we are not just any ordinary people, we are Sarawakian who knows their rights. As somebody had said “without Sarawak there is no Malaysia” so whether we are happy or not I think this Consultative Committee will have all those records to be tabled and I believe from thereon we will know what to do. And the litany of grievances that we will see as well as the list that somebody had said what are the rights that we are going to pursue, which way we are going to pursue? What are the best things we could do? I think our mandate will be given to the Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri to pursue on this and he will not just be speaking alone, he is actually speaking from the hearts and the bosoms and the mind and the will and the souls of all Sarawakians together. With that I support this bill. Thank you. Tuan Speaker: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, we have a lunch break. The Honorable Minister for Tourism later on this afternoon before I invite you to do your winding up, as I received a proposal, if you would be so kind as to include three additional Honorable Members to your list:

1. YB Encik Chiew Chiu Sing, Honourable Member for Tanjong Batu 2. YB Encik Ali Anak Biju, Honourable Member for Krian 3. YB Dato Gerawat Gala, Honourable Member for Mulu

If you be so kind as to include this into your list of Consultative Committee, Dewan

resume at 2:30 pm.

(Mesyuarat ditangguhkan pada jam 1:12 petang)

(Mesyuarat dimulakan pada jam 2:53 petang)

[Tuan Speaker mempengerusikan Mesyuarat]

Tuan Speaker: Can I have a show of hands how many wants to speak? Honourable Member for Tanjung Datu.

YB Datuk Amar Hajah Jamilah Haji Anu: Assalamualaikum Waramathullahi Wabarkatahu. “LOVE SARAWAK, and only if you love Sarawak, you care for Sarawak and you protect Sarawak”. That was the last few words by Tok Nan. Although a lot has been said and written about MA63 in the past, the late Tok Nan who brought the attention and created the awareness of Sarawakians and the significance of MA63. The overwhelming mandate given


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to the State Government in the last State Election in 2016 was on the promise by the late Tok Nan that he needed a strong voice from Sarawakians in order to fight for our rights as enshrined in MA63.

I remembered even at his hospital bed at 11.00 am in the morning on 11th January 2017, two hours before he passed away, the late Tok Nan asked his secretary, “What MP of Stampin said in the Parliament today, is it about English and devolution of power on education?” Ini menunjukkan Tok Nan benar-benar komited untuk mengembalikan hak-hak yang telah terhakis hingga ke akhir hayat beliau.

Therefore, we must carry out this mandate by the people as trustees of our rakyat regardless whether you are in the Government or Opposition. This motion is timely and appropriate to allow Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri Datuk Patinggi (Dr) Abang Haji Abdul Rahman Zohari Bin Tun Datuk Abang Haji Openg to bring up to the Joint Committee, the findings of this consultative committee which comprise the voices of all Sarawakian.

While we all welcome Yang Amat Berhormat Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad’s call for the formation of a joint committee comprising representatives from Peninsular Malaysia, Sabah and Sarawak to review or revisit the Malaysia Agreement 1963 (MA63), we must exercise great care to ensure that the team representing Sarawak has the people’s mandate to do so and that certain protocols must be observed.

Our Federal Constitution which is the supreme law of Malaysia was founded on MA63. Therefore, any attempt and exercise to review and revisit MA63 must be done with caution and must comply with the principles and protocols contained in MA63.

MA63 was negotiated and agreed between equal partners, that is; the UK Government, Federated Malay States, Singapore, Sabah and Sarawak. The representative for each of these four signatories and sovereign entity was chosen by the respective parties themselves and not by the other parties. The Cobbold Commission in the report which lead to the formation of the Inter-Governmental Committee which negotiated MA63 stated that the mandate of the respective Governments will be required for the MA63. A Motion tabled in the Council Negri on 26th September 1962 by the then Attorney General of Sarawak then read as follows:

“That this Council:

(a) Welcomes the decision of the British and Malayan generally to establish Malaysia by 31st August 1963 on the understanding that the special interests of Sarawak will be safeguarded; and of course

(b) Notes that Inter-Governmental Committee have been established to work out

the detailed constitutional arrangements and the form of their safeguards, which will be laid before the Council”

This clearly showed that the mandate of the Council Negri then was required for the terms of MA63 to be agreed by Sarawak.

Any negotiations or review of MA63 must be mandated by this august House which is

the voice of the rakyat of Sarawak as all Honourable Members are duly elected by the rakyat of Sarawak to represent them. Any person or any entity who is not mandated by this august House has no legal standing to represent Sarawak in any negotiation or review of MA63. Similarly, no other party to the MA63 can decide or appoint Sarawak representative for the negotiation other than ourselves in this august House. The Prime Minister even have no right or authority to decide or to appoint the representatives for Sarawak or Sabah. Only Sarawak has the right to decide and appoint our representative without interference from any other


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party just as we not interfere with the appointment of representatives of the other parties like Sabah and Malaya.

The proposal to set up the Consultative Committee to oversee the negotiations is

critical to provide support and experts and eminent persons can be included in the Consultative Committee to ensure the best available resources to support and oversee the negotiations. The Consultative Committee will comprise DUN members who are well versed in MA63 as well as experts and eminent persons reflecting the ethnic representations in the Sarawak Team which first negotiated MA63.

The ideal situation should be that all parties to MA63 who will take part in the

negotiation must comply with the protocol that sets up the MA63, one of which is the number of representative for each party in their negotiating team. The composition and numbers of representative for each party to MA63 for the upcoming negotiation must be the same as in the Inter-Governmental Committee which negotiated the MA63. In short, there must be fair and equal representation. No party should dictate the number of representatives and selection of representatives of the other parties. This was and will be a negotiation among equal partners.

However, in view of the announcement by Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri

that the establishment of the joint committee which only include Yang Amat Berhormat the Chief Minister and the Attorney General of each from Sabah and Sarawak apart from a big number from Semenanjung Malaysia. The aspiration of having IGC structure could not materialize. Therefore, under the circumstances of the formation of this Consultative Committee is aptly appropriate to back the Sarawak representative to this Joint Committee taking it with the spirit and mandate of the people of Sarawak.

Tuan Speaker, saya berdiri disini hari ini bukan sahaja menyokong usul untuk menubuhkan “Consultative Committee” ini tetapi juga berdiri untuk menyuarakan hasrat seluruh rakyat Sarawak supaya hak-hak rakyat Sarawak dapat dikembalikan serta-merta. Dan sebelum saya mengakhiri ingin saya berpantun iaitu quote by Tok Nan:

“Nyiur Gading Puncak Mahligai, Sayang Ketupat Berisi Inti,

Hancur Daging Tulang Berkecai, Belum Kita Dapat Belum Berhenti.”

Another one pantun from Lundu:

“Dara Lundu Cantek Berdandan,

Dipetik Hati Jejaka Roban, Selagi Nyawa Dikandong Badan,

Agi Idup Agi Ngelaban.”

Dengan kata demikian saya menyokong iaitu “Consultative Committee” Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak. “Sayang Sarawak Ibu Pertiwiku”. Terima kasih. Timbalan Speaker: The Honourable Member for Marudi. YB Datu Dr Penguang Manggil (Menteri Muda Kerajaan Tempatan): Finally,. Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. I rise to participate on the debate on the Ministerial Motion on the


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establishment Consultative Committee to discuss on MA63 which was table by the Honourable Member for Asajaya and seconded by the Honourable Member for Semop. Tuan Speaker, Ahli Yang Berhormat from Kota Sentosa may not agree with me when I said it is indeed very sad to know that since the last 20, 30 years ago Sarawak had lost a lot of its right as enshrined in the MA63 and the Malaysian Constitution either intentionally or inadvertently. This may sound rhetoric, as what the Honourable Member for Kota Sentosa has said but in reality, this is exactly the sentiments of all Sarawakian, here in this august House as well as those out there in the streets, including those from the intellectual and legal fraternity. Ignorant as we may be, we are not totally ignorant of the MA63 and the Malaysian Constitution as alleged. In this regard if it is only right and just that we should acknowledge and comment the Right Honourable Chief Minister Datuk Patinggi (Dr) Abang Haji Abdul Rahman Zohari for his courageous efforts in persistently pursuing the Devolution of Power that was first initiated by the late Pehin Sri Haji Adenan bin Haji Satem, to fight and continue to fight to restore back our rights to where it rightfully belongs.

As of today, a lot of informal discussions have been held, high level committees formed and many meetings organised to study and review the various legislative amendments among others, such as the Petroleum Development Act of 1974. The Territorial Sea Act 2012 and the amendments to the Malaysian Constitution on 27 of August 1976 which changed the status of Sarawak and Sabah as the 12th and the 13th State in the Federation of Malaysia respectively and hence which to the best of my knowledge which was amended by the Malaysian Parliament but never discussed and passed by this august House and hence have breached MA63, as it has deviated from the original intention of the Federation of the 3-nation-states into a Unitary State of 13 States, where all powers and sovereignty is held by the Federal Government.

Tuan Speaker, the tabling of the Ministerial motion to form a Consultative Committee

to discuss MA63 and other related legislation comprising of the learned members of this august House from the GPS Government as well as those from the PH is indeed very fitting and timely and is the right step taken by the GPS Government which would represent the voices of all Sarawakians to discuss and put forward our representation to the Federal Government on all issues relating to MA63 amend the Malaysian Constitution to ensure its integrity, as it was intended to be, and will always be in the spirit of the formation of Malaysian more than 55 years ago today.

On another note Tuan Speaker, I wish to register my protest on the compositions of

the steering committee commonly known as MA63 Committee announced by the Right Honourable Prime Minister to review MA63 as well as the Malaysian Constitution and other relevant legislations with only 2 members from the GPS Government. This is indeed an insult to us and is totally in contravention with the spirit of MA63 and the very of foundation upon which the Malaysian Federation was formed where Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak are equal partners.

In this regard and through this august House, I urged that there be an equal/ fair

representation from each of the 3 sovereign States as it was done for the IGC during the formation of Malaysia. In other words, we should continue the spirit of the comradeship under the IGC when we began 55 years ago.

Tuan Speaker, I urge that all Honourable Members of this august House to rise to this

occasion in one solitary voice and in the spirit of true Sarawakians to support this Ministerial Motion to establish the Consultative Committee, to provide inputs for our state representatives in the MA63 Committee and to fight for and restore our loss rights, for the benefits of Sarawak and its people, now and generation to come.


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Tuan Speaker, on this short note I beg to support the motion. Thank you very much. Timbalan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat for Tupong. YB Encik Fazzruddin Bin Haji Abdul Rahman: Tuan Speaker. Assalamualaikum waramathullahi wabarkatahu. Saya mulakan dengan pantun:

Dewan Mulia berseri dan luas, Tempat berbincang bersatu hati,

YAB Abang Joe mengeluarkan pelampas, Geraknya bijak penuh bestari.

Pada yang tidak faham apakah pelampas, ianya merupakkan langkah yang pertama

dalam silat dan disusuli dengan langkah-langkah yang lebih padu lagi. Maka itulah yang telah dilakukan oleh Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri kita.

Tuan Speaker, beberapa tahun yang lepas arwah Pehin Sri Tok Nan telah

memulakan langkah untuk mendapatkan semula dan memartabatkan semula hak Sarawak selaras dengan perlembagaan persekutuan dan berpandukan kepada Malaysia Agreement 63. Beberapa kejayaan di peringkat pentadbiran telah kita capai ketika itu. Ketika itu Kerajaan Persekutuan dan Kerajaan Negeri dalam parti yang sama. Sungguhpun begitu, pelbagai cabaran dihadapi oleh allahyarham Pehin Sri ketika itu. Yang Amat Berhormat Datuk Patinggi (Dr) Abang Abdul Rahman Zohari Bin Tun Datuk Abang Haji Openg meneruskan perjuang tersebut. Beliau meneruskan rundingan ketika itu dengan Kerajaan Persekutuan dalam parti yang sama dan cabaran yang dihadapi pun sama juga. Dan selepas itu, Kerajaan Persekutuan telah diambil alih oleh parti lain dan sudah tentu cabaran yang bakal kita hadapi ataupun yang telah kita hadapi amat berbeza sekali.

Sememangnya mudah bagi seorang pemimpin untuk lantang bersuara dengan nada

retorik tanpa berpandukan strategi untuk mencapai objektif asal, Mudah untuk jadi popular tetapi dipenghujungnya kampung kita tergadai, ataupun tiada pencapaian.

Saya selaku wakil daripada golongan belia amat berterima kasih kerana Yang Amat

Berhormat Ketua Menteri kita bukan sahaja berani bersuara bertindak tetapi mempunyai pelan strategi dan pendekatan yang amat bijak sekali demi menghadapi cabaran demi cabaran dari Kerajaan Persekutuan yang lama dan yang baru. Bukti yang jelas semalam kita telah mendengar belanjawan yang telah dibentangkan oleh Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri kita dan mungkin saya akan bahaskan dalam perbahasan belanjawan.

Kalau kita imbas kembali kepada penubuhan Malaysia, Suruhanjaya Cobbold

dibentuk. Jadi persoalannya, apakah semangat di sebalik penubuhan Suruhanjaya Cobbold ini? Sudah tentu ianya untuk menyelami dan mendapat maklum balas masyarakat Sarawak. Jadi hasil penemuan Suruhanjaya tersebut akan menjadi wakil suara masyarakat Sarawak dalam penggubalan dokumen-dokumen yang signifikan dan sehinggakan menghasilkan MA63 dan seterusnya Perlembagaan Malaysia. Objektifnya untuk memberi kesejahteraan kepada Negeri Sarawak. Itulah semangat di sebalik penubuhan dan pendekatan Suruhanjaya Cobbold.

Dan kita juga harus menerima hakikat bahawa as the time goes by, hak-hak kita

terhakis secara sengaja atau tidak sengaja. One will have to decide whether to dwell on this or make a strategic point on how to get our rights back. Kalau kita sering menuding jari mengatakan ini tak betul itu tak betul tanpa merangkakan satu pelan tindakan yang jelas untuk mendapatkan hak kita balik, kalau kita tak menjalankannya sampai malam pun we


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can’t dwell on the past dan tidak menghasilkan apa-apa pencapaian. Kita jua sering mendengar persoalan, “why now? Kenak baruk kinek tok? Why not?”. Kami golongan belia mahu tahu strategi dan pendekatan kita demi untuk melihat Sarawak sejahtera serta membangun dengan pesat sekali.

Saya tertarik dengan kenyataan Yang Berhormat Kota Sentosa dimana beliau

menegaskan dan bertanya, “where do we start?”. Saya ingin berkongsi dengan Dewan yang mulia ini, Menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri dalam jawapannya kepada ahli parlimen DAP daripada Sarawak di Parlimen telahpun menggariskan pendekatan-pendekatan kepada isu yang hendak dibincangkan.

Saya kongsi disini. Ianya menjurus kepada isu untuk memperbetulkan status MA63

dalam perundangan sekarang.

(a) Ianya merangkumi PDA, Sea Territorial Act; (b) Usaha untuk meningkatkan kefahaman rakyat mengenai MA63 dalam

syllabus pembelajaran. Kita hendak pelajar-pelajar dan anak-anak kita dididik apa sebenarnya yang berlaku dan apakah semangat MA63 ini;

(c) Pelaksanaan semangat konsep federialisme untuk ketiga-tiga wilayah; (d) Perkara pentadbiran yang sewajarnya yang diturunkan kuasa; (e) Jumlah peruntukan yang sepatutnya menjadi hak kepada Sabah dan

Sarawak; dan (f) Pindaan kepada Artikel 1 Perlembagaan.

Ia jelas digariskan oleh Menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri on where do we start?

Jadi Tuan Speaker, pada Oktober yang lepas YAB Perdana Menteri telah mengumumkan Steering Committee tetapi malangnya representation tidak mengambarkan keikhlasan Kerajaan Persekutuan dalam mencapai kemahuan negeri Sarawak.

Satu lagi cabaran yang perlu kita hadapi dan perlu dihadapi oleh YAB Ketua Menteri kita. Sebab itu lah saya merasakan penting bagi usul ini. Ketidakikhlasan Kerajaan Persekutuan terserlah lagi apabila Menteri Penuh dari Persekutuan datang ke Sarawak dan seperti dilaporkan dalam media bila beliau menganggap rakyat Sarawak tidak sedar diri. Jadi sikap biadap ini mengambarkan sikap ketidakikhlasan mereka. Jadi dengan semangat dengan sikap ketidakikhlasan ini bagaimanakah kita rakyat Sarawak yang diketuai oleh YAB Ketua Menteri hendak masuk ke bilik perundingan tanpa back-up yang kukuh. Maka sebab itulah demi untuk memperjuangkan kehendak rakyat Sarawak, saya merasakan penubuhan Jawatankuasa ini amat baik dan tepat dengan masanya.

Cara bermusyawarah, cara perbincangan adalah cara di mana semangat Cobbold Commission dibentuk. Semangat awal penubuhan Malaysia digunakan, dibawa bersama ke dalam Dewan ini kerana kita memberi mandat kepada Jawatankuasa yang terpilih ini mewakili kita untuk bersama-sama memberi maklumbalas, memberi input kepada YAB Ketua Menteri kita untuk dibawa di meja perundingan. Tetapi kita juga ingin memohon agar segala keputusan hendaklah diendorse di dalam Dewan yang mulia ini kerana ia menunjukkan keputusan yang diambil adalah keputusan daripada seluruh rakyat Sarawak. Maka sebab itu, saya dengan rendah diri ingin menyokong penuh cadangan untuk membentuk jawatankuasa ini. Sekian. Wabillahitaufik walhidayah. Wasalamulaikum wabarakatuh. Terima kasih. Timbalan Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Pantai Damai.


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YB Datuk Dr Haji Abdul Rahman Haji Junaidi (Menteri Muda Elektrik Luar Bandar): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker di atas ruang dan peluang ini untuk menyokong usul yang telah disampaikan oleh Menteri tadi.

Banyak perkara telah pun disebut oleh rakan-rakan dan saya ingin menyentuh mengenai dua perkara pokok yang rasanya penting untuk kita hayati dalam perbincangan kita mengenai Jawatankuasa Perundingan atau Consultative Committee untuk membincangkan mengenai MA63.

Pertama ialah mengenai komposisi keahlian keanggotaan kepada Jawatankuasa ini. Saya ingin menarik perhatian Dewan pada ucapan YAB Perdana Menteri Tun Dr Mahathir pada sambutan Hari Malaysia pada 16 September yang lepas, di mana dalam majlis itu YAB Perdana Menteri telah pun menyebut bahawa Sabah, Sarawak dan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu merupakan equal partner seperti termaktub dalam Perjanjian MA63. Jadi, dengan kata lain, bermulalah saat Kerajaan Persekutuan memberi pengiktirafan kepada usaha untuk membincangkan mengenai perkara yang penting ini, MA63 di mana idea-idea asalnya telah pun dimulakan oleh Allahyarham Pehin Sri Tok Nan. Jadi apabila YAB Perdana Menteri mengatakan sedemikian, kita di Sarawak merasa amat bangga, kerana pertama kalinya kita diiktiraf sebagai sebuah wilayah, iaitu Malaysia ini wujudnya dari tiga wilayah iaitu Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, Sabah dan Sarawak.

Namun demikian, daripada laporan media pada 10 Oktober yang lalu diumumkan mengenai komposisi Jawatankuasa Perundingan ini yang terdiri daripada 17 orang anggota.

Anggotanya adalah seperti berikut:

1. Pengerusinya adalah Perdana Menteri sendiri. Ahli-ahlinya ialah:

1. Sembilan orang Menteri dari Kabinet Persekutuan termasuk Yang Berhormat

Ahli Parlimen Selangau bersama dengan Ketua Setiausaha Negara; 2. Seorang Ahli Akademik; 3. Seorang Peguam Negara; 4. Seorang Hakim Sabah dan Sarawak, maknanya 13 mewakili Kerajaan

Persekutuan; dan 5. Manakala Sarawak diwakili oleh YAB Ketua Menteri dan Peguam Besar

Negeri; dan sama juga untuk Sabah diwakili oleh YAB Ketua Menteri Sabah dan Peguam Besar Sabah.

Jadi kalau kita lihat dari segi nisbah pembentukan ini ianya memang tidak adil. 13

mewakili Kerajaan Persekutuan dan hanya dua daripada Sarawak dan dua daripada Sabah.

Seandainya Kerajaan Persekutuan serius untuk membincangkan perkara ini dengan lebih detail, lebih lanjut untuk memberi manfaat kepada kedua-dua Negeri yang agak ketinggalan dari segi pembangunan fizikalnya Sarawak dan Sabah, maka Kerajaan Persekutuan perlu melihat dari segi sejarah pembentukan Jawatankuasa Konsultatif ini bermula pembentukannya pada tahun 1962.

Pada 27 Februari tahun 1962 di Jesselton ataupun Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Jawatankuasa Pertama telahpun bermesyuarat dipengerusikan oleh Lord Lansdowne iaitu Minister of State for Colonial Affairs bagi Kerajaan Britain yang telahpun mendapat mandat daripada Perdana Menteri, Harold Macmillan, ketika itu. Untuk menjemput membentuk jawatankuasa ini dan jawatankuasa ini dibentuk hasil daripada gabungan empat negara dan ahli-ahlinya adalah seperti berikut:


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Wakil daripada Kerajaan United Kingdom ialah:

1. Sir J.M Martin; 2. H.P Hall; 3. D.J Gordon Smith; dan 4. T.J Obrien. (Empat orang.)

Wakil daripada Malaya ketika itu ialah:

1. Tun Abdul Razak; selaku Timbalan Pengerusi 2. Tun Abdul Aziz Abdul Majid; 3. C.M Sheridan; 4. Nik Daud Nik Mat; dan 5. R.J.C Warr. (Lima orang mewakili Malaya.)

Manakala wakil rasmi daripada Sarawak ialah:

1. Datu Bandar Abang Haji Mustapa; 2. Tun Jugah anak Barieng; 3. Bernard anak Montegrai; 4. Ling Beng Siew; dan 5. Chua Chin Shin. (Lima orang.)

Dan wakil daripada Borneo Utara / Sabah ialah:

1. Dato Mustapha bin Dato Harun; 2. Khoo Siak Chew; 3. W.K.H Jones; 4. H.W Davidson; dan 5. K.S Holley. (Lima orang.)

Jadi kalau kita melihat dari segi komposisi Jawatankuasa Yang Pertama dibentuk pada tahun 1962 yang menjurus kepada jawatankuasa yang membincangkan seterusnya MA63 ini, keanggotaannya hampir sama, empat, lima orang. Jadi, seandainya Kerajaan Persekutuan serius untuk meneruskan perbincangan mengenai MA63 ini, haruslah mengambil contoh apa yang telah dilaksanakan dahulu. Maknanya, setiap wilayah ataupun setiap wakil Kerajaan dengan komposisi yang sama. Jadi, saya hendak mengambil kesempatan di sini untuk mencadangkan kepada Kerajaan Persekutuan yang telah pun membentuk jawatankuasa ini untuk menilai semula keanggotaan jawatankuasa ini. Seandainya tadi disebut bilangan ahli jawatankuasanya dah 17 orang, sebaik mungkin, kalau boleh setiap wakil Kerajaan, mungkin lima orang. Sabah, lima orang, Sarawak, lima orang, dan bakinya Kerajaan Persekutuan. Ini baru dapat menggambarkan dari segi sejarah keikhlasan hasrat kita untuk memastikan bahawa perbincangan serta apa yang nak kita capai dalam Perjanjian Malaysia 63 ini akan dapat kita teruskan walaupun sudah mencecah 55 tahun.


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Perkara kedua yang saya nak sentuh di sini ialah mengenai tempoh masa

jawatankuasa ini dibentuk. Daripada laporan yang diterima, belum jelas berapa lamakah jawatankuasa ini akan bersidang, berbincang dan seterusnya untuk mencapaikan kata putus apa yang akan diputuskan dan dilaksanakan pada masa yang akan datang untuk manfaat Negeri Sarawak, Negeri Sabah dan kesemuanya. Namun yang demikian, pada 10 Oktober yang lalu, Menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri (Hal Ehwal Undang-Undang), Datuk Liew Vui Keong, mengatakan, I quote “Kita hanya mempunyai tempoh enam bulan untuk menjalankan tugas bagi mengembalikan pelaksanaan MA63”.

Jadi, beliau menyatakan, enam bulan untuk berbincang sama ada mendapat keputusan atau pun tidak, wallahualam, kita tidak pasti. Jadi, daripada pengalaman saya dan juga dari segi apa yang saya perhatikan selama ini, sekiranya perkara yang penting seperti ini iaitu untuk mengembalikan hak-hak rakyat Sarawak hendak dibincangkan, tempoh enam bulan adalah satu tempoh yang begitu pendek. Tidak banyak perkara yang boleh kita putuskan, tidak banyak perkara yang boleh kita bincangkan dalam tempoh enam bulan. Oleh sebab yang demikian, saya hendak sarankan kalau boleh kita kembali kepada sejarah penubuhan Malaysia satu ketika dahulu. Untuk imbauan kembali ingatan kita, the birth of Malaysia / lahirnya Negara Malaysia adalah wujud daripada tiga dokumen penting.

Pertama ialah daripada The Report of the Commission of Enquiry (North Borneo and Sarawak, 1962) yang melahirkan Laporan Cobbold / Cobbold Report. Dokumen kedua yang penting ialah The Report of the Inter-Governmental Committee, 1962 iaitu disebut sebagai Inter-Governmental Committee Report (IGC Report) dan dokumen yang ketiga yang penting yang melahirkan negara Malaysia ialah The Agreement Concluded Between The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, The Federation of Malaya, North Borneo, Sarawak and Singapore. Jadi, tiga dokumen ini penting dan melahirkan Malaysia pada tahun 1963. Apabila lahirnya Malaysia pada tahun 1963, maka Kerajaan Malaysia yang ditubuhkan itu berbincang di peringkat awalnya daripada maklumat sejarah yang saya baca dicadangkan supaya perkara berkaitan 63 ini di review setiap 10 tahun. To be reviewed every 10 years. Maknanya, perbincangan pertama pada tahun 1963 harus dibincangkan pada tahun 1973, dinilai lagi pada tahun 1983 dan seterusnya. Namun demikian, persidangan pertama hanya berlaku pada sekitar tahun 70’an. Di mana, daripada sejarah yang saya baca, Allahyarham Tun Dr Ismail selaku Timbalan Perdana Menteri pada waktu itu telah pun diberi tugas dan amanah untuk mengetuai jawatankuasa ini untuk penilaiansemula hal-hal yang berkaitan dengan MA63. Namun yang demikian, Allahyarham meninggal dunia awal, jadi tidak sempat untuk memulakan perbincangan ini, maka diserahkan kembali kepada Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri waktu itu, Allahyarham Tun Abdul Razak dan tidak dapat juga diteruskan sehingga apa yang berlaku, saya tidak tahu, tidak ada perbincangan serius menilaikan perkara berkaitan dengan Perjanjian Malaysia 63 ini setiap tahun, setiap 10 tahun sehinggalah pada ketika ini. Timbalan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Pantai Damai, you have two minutes to conclude. Menteri Muda Elektrik Luar Bandar (YB Datuk Dr Haji Abdul Rahman Haji Junaidi): Jadi, oleh sebab yang demikian, maka saya ingin sarankan supaya dalam usaha kita untuk memastikan bahawa hak kita di Sarawak ini dapat kita lakukan dengan sebaik mungkin, dengan serius dan dilaksanakan supaya jawatankuasa ini bersidang berkala. They will have to sit every six month or annually tapi penilaian seriusnya perlu lakukan antara lima hingga 10 tahun sehingga setiap perkara yang berkaitan dengan hak-hak Sarawak dapat dikembalikan dengan sepenuhnya. Dengan itu, saya menyokong usul untuk membentuk Jawatankuasa Perundingan bagi Perjanjian Malaysia Tahun 1963. Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker.


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Timbalan Speaker: Yang Berhormat for Tellian.

YB Encik Yussibnosh Balo: Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. Selamat petang dan salam

sejahtera. Sebelum ini, sebelum saya meneruskan saya ingin menyatakan sokongan saya

ke atas usul yang dikemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri dari N.15 Asajaya. Pertama

sekali, saya mengucapkan ribuan terima kasih kepada Kerajaan Malaysia. Ini disebabkan

melalui Malaysialah kita selamat dan maju sehingga hari ini. Pada tahun 1963 sehingga

tahun 1966, kita telah pun dilanda oleh Konfrantasi Malaysia-Indonesia di bawah

pemerintahan Sukarno dan kita selamat juga sehingga Malaysia bertahan sehingga hari ini.

Dalam tahun 1962 sehingga tahun 1990 kita telah mendapat ancaman daripada Parti

Komunis Kalimantan Utara dan kita juga selamat berada di dalam Malaysia. Dan pada hari

ini, kita membincangkan mengenai hak-hak kita di bawah MA63 dan penubuhan

jawatankuasa perunding peringkat Negeri. Saya memohon kepada Jabatan-Jabatan bukan

sahaja kepada jawatankuasa perunding peringkat negeri tetapi kepada Jabatan-Jabatan

Perpaduan, Jabatan-Jabatan Keselamatan, Polis DiRaja Malaysia, Tentera Udara DiRaja

Malaysia, Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia dan pelbagai anggota keselamatan supaya

mengangani perkara ini dengan lebih berhati-hati dan dengan rasa semangat

Kemalaysiaan.

Tuan-tuan dan puan-puan, dalam kita membincangkan mengenai MA63 ini, kita telah

melihat bahawa hak-hak kita di dalam Sarawak dan di dalam Malaysia merdeka ini hanya

boleh dipinda melalui perbincangan dan persetujuan para penandatangan perjanjian seperti

yang disebutkan oleh Yang Berhormat daripada Demak tadi bahawa kita boleh berbincang

dalam 10 tahun sekali. Ini adalah disebabkan bahawa suatu MA63 merupakan perjanjian

antarabangsa dan bukan suatu rang undang-undang yang diluluskan oleh Parlimen

sebagaimana yang disebut sebelumnya. Parlimen tidak boleh menggubal perjanjian

antarabangsa dengan kata lain Sabah, Sarawak, Kerajaan Persekutuan dan United

Kingdom harus duduk berbincang untuk menggubal atau meminda terma-terma yang

terkandung di dalam Kerajaan Malaysia dan kita amat berterima kasih kepada Allahyarham

Tok Nan bahawa pada bulan November 2016, Allahyarham telah pun mengeluarkan

kenyataan-kenyataan untuk menuntut semula hak Sarawak di bawah MA63. Sekiranya

gerakan-gerakan tersebut dilanjutkan, boleh dikatakan Kerajaan Negeri Sarawak

menggunakan haknya sebagaimana yang disebut dalam Artikel 8, MA63.

Sebaliknya, Kerajaan Negeri ini memilih pendekatan diplomatik dengan Kerajaan

Persekutuan dalam menyelesaikan isu berkenaan dengan hak yang tidak dipenuhi di bawah

MA63. Sebagai sebuah negara yang berdaulat iaitu Malaysia kita perlu mengetahui bahawa

hak-hak wilayah yang berada di dalam Persekutuan haruslah dihormati dan oleh sebab

itulah kita pada hari ini menyuarakan hak kita di bawah MA63 as equal partners in Malaysia.

Kita bukan merdeka menyertai Malaysia tetapi kita merdeka membentuk Malaysia. Sabah

dan Sarawak menyertai bumi Malaya dalam membentuk Malaysia di bawah pemahaman

dimana akan terdapat jaminan daripada Perlembagaan Persekutuan berkenaan dengan

perlindungan hak dan keistimewaan rakyatnya.

Jaminan-jaminan ini telah terkandung di dalam perlembagaan dan undang-undang

yang berkaitan. Antaranya ialah peguam-peguam yang bukan dari Sabah dan Sarawak tidak

dibenarkan untuk mengamal di mahkamah Sabah dan Sarawak, Artikel 161(b). Peguam-

peguam ini harus memperoleh lesen daripada mahkamah tinggi Sabah dan Sarawak

terlebih dahulu seterusnya memohon permit kerja dari bahagian Imigresen dan perkara ini

perlu kita fahami dan perlu kita pertahankan dalam kita membentuk jawatankuasa perunding

peringkat negeri dan sekiranya perkara ini tidak dapat kita pertahankan dan misalnya pada


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masa yang akan datang atau pun pada pilihanraya yang akan datang, Kerajaan PH

menguasai Sarawak, mungkin perkara ini akan terhakis dengan sendirinya. Sabah dan

Sarawak berhak menggunakan Bahasa Inggeris dalam perhimpunan negeri dan semasa

perbicaraan di mahkamah, Artikel 161(1) dan (2) dan Artikel 161(1) melarang sama sekali

undang-undang yang tidak membenarkan Sarawak menggunakan Bahasa Inggeris untuk

urusan-urusan rasmi sehingga selepas 10 tahun dari tarikh 16 September 1963 dan ini telah

pun dikemukakan oleh rakan kita tadi.

Dan disini saya memohon supaya anggota-anggota, pegawai-pegawai kerajaan

boleh bekerjasama dengan jawatankuasa perunding kita di peringkat negeri untuk

membentuk dan mengambil tindakan yang sewajarnya supaya hak-hak kita terjaga dan

keamanan kita terjaga. Kita tak nak Malaysia ini menjadi seperti beberapa buah negeri di

kawasan Asia Barat ataupun di Timur Tengah yang berperang dan kemudian rakyatnya

menjadi begitu terseksa iaitu anak-anak muda kita pada masa-masa yang akan datang yang

pada masa kini telah menikmati keamanan dan kesenangan dalam kita menjalankan tugas-

tugas harian kita bersama Malaysia dan di Sarawak amnya.

Tuan-tuan dan puan-puan, Sabah dan Sarawak juga berkuasa mengawal Imigresen

di Negeri masing-masing. Penduduk di Semenanjung harus mempunyai permit untuk

belajar dan bekerja di sini dan sesiapa yang melawat Sarawak dan Sabah harus mengisi

borang Imigresen terlebih dahulu. Ini disebut dalam Seksyen 66 Akta Imigresen 1959/1963,

dan terkandung disebabkan MA63.

Seksyen 66(1) Akta Imigresen “seorang warganegara itu tidak dibenarkan untuk

memasuki Malaysia Timur tanpa mempunyai permit atau pas melainkan dia adalah memang

dari Malaysia timur ...” dan oleh sebab itu lah di bawah MA63 dan di bawah akta-akta yang

sedang berkuatkuasa kita perlu mempertahankan hak-hak kita Sarawak daripada dicemari

ataupun daripada dibolosi melalui jawatankuasa perunding peringkat negeri ini nanti. Dan

dengan demikian, saya berharap agar semua kita di sini dapat memikirkan mengenai masa

depan negara kita, Malaysia, kita sudah selamat dua kali bersama Malaysia dengan

konfrantasi dan dengan campur tangan PARAKU (Parti Komunis Kalimantan Utara) dan kita

tak nak kali ketiga ini kita bercerai dengan Malaysia.

Anggaplah apabila kita sudah bercerai sekali dengan Singapura, yang tiga itu tinggal hendaklah untuk selama-lamanya dan saya yakin dengan perbelanjaan tahunan kita yang menunjukkan anggaran perbelanjaan surplus dan tidak mustahil kita pada suatu hari nanti, sekiranya mudah-mudahan juga dibenarkan, diberi oleh Tuhan supaya Negeri kita Sarawak akan menjadi lebih maju dan lebih makmur dengan adanya tindakan-tindakan ekonomi yang mantap di bawah Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri kita yang ada sekarang, Abang Zohari. Diharap pada masa-masa yang akan datang sekiranya negeri kita sudah menjadi kaya-raya, besar kemungkinan kita boleh menguasai ekonomi Malaysia dan dengan demikian saya mengucapkan ribuan terima kasih sekali lagi Tuan Speaker, kerana diberi kesempatan untuk membahaskan perkara-perkara di dalam Usul oleh Menteri itu tadi dan akhir sekali saya bagi pantun.

Kalau ada jarum yang patah, Jangan disimpan di dalam peti,

Kalau ada silap dan salah, Jangan disimpan di dalam hati.

Sekian, terima kasih. Timbalan Speaker: Yang Berhormat for Belaga.


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YB Datuk Liwan Lagang (Menteri Muda Bekalan Air): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. Saya tidak akan berbahas lama, bagi saya dua minit sahaja dan saya akan sentuh hanya satu perkara saja. Syabas dan tahniah Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelancongan, Kesenian, Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sukan kerana membawa Usul ini yang amat dekat di hati seluruh negeri Sarawak. Tuan Speaker, isu ini adalah mengenai hak rakyat Sarawak seluruhnya. Maka tadi berbincang dengan kawan, mereka berbincang mengenai menanam pisang. Maka begitu, saya nak buat pantun mengenai pisang ini.

Pisang kapok pisang seribu, Enak dimakan santapan,

Hak Sarawak jangan diganggu, Rakyat teguh ingin melawan.

Tuan Speaker, gerakan untuk mengembalikan hak Sarawak dalam MA63 telah terhakis semenjak terbentuknya pun Malaysia dan gerakan untuk memulakan mengembalikan hak ini tadi telah digerakkan oleh the late Tok Nan dan sekarang diteruskan oleh Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri kita ketika ini. Syabas dan tahniah, terima kasih Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri. Sebenarnya Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri tidak cekap, tidak chicken out. Sebenarnya langkah untuk membentukkan ini adalah kerana beliau lebih bijak untuk memartabatkan Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak. Langkah untuk datang adalah supaya kita rakyat Sarawak, wakil rakyat yang dipilih ini tadi sama-sama menyokong agar perpaduan Sarawak ada isu Sarawak ini tidak dihakiskan sekali lagi. Tuan Speaker, oleh yang demikian maka langkah ini bukan langkah chicken out tetapi menghormati Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak. Langkah ini bukan langkah retorik, tetapi langkah untuk memartabatkan Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak yang mulia ini. Oleh yang demikian, Tuan Speaker, dengan kata-kata itu, saya menyokong Usul ini. Terima kasih. Timbalan Speaker: Terima kasih, Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Belaga. Your two minute almost became five minute. Ahli Yang Berhormat for Senadin. YB Datuk Lee Kim Shin (Menteri Muda Pelancongan, Kesenian dan Kebudayaan): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. I rise to render my full support to the Motion tabled by the Honourable Minister for Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports, which also the Member for Asajaya on the establishment of Consultative Committee in pursuant to Standing Order 89 read together with Article 24(1) of the State Constitution to propose that the Committee be comprised Members from all political parties represented in this august House. It is indeed very important, appropriate and timely that the said Committee be formed in order to ensure that Sarawak is well represented in the Federal Cabinet Steering Committee to review the implementation of the Malaysia Agreement 1963 (MA63) which shall be chaired by Yang Amat Berhormat Prime Minister.

The proposed announcement by the Federal Government to have only two Members from Sarawak Government to be represented in the 16 Members Steering Committee cannot be accepted. It is too lopsided and grossly under represented.

Recently the Prime Minister has also properly acknowledge that Sarawak and Sabah

be treated as equal partners. The response from many Sarawakians from my mates is that ‘Jangan cakap sahaja’, it must be put into actual practice.


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The Inter-Governmental Committee formed during the formation of Malaysia will be an appropriate model for us to adopt in the formation of the Federal Steering Committee. The subject matter on the restoration of the rights and interests of Sarawak under MA63, The Federal Constitution and any other relevant documents in the formation of Malaysia 1963 is a very important matter which affects Sarawak as a whole and every Sarawakian. It is imperative that the provision of MA63, the Cobbold Commissions Report and the Inter-Governmental Committee Report should be respected, honoured and complied with in letter and spirit. This august House represents the people of Sarawak and therefore it is only appropriate and proper that members to represent Sarawak in the Federal Steering Committee should be selected among Honourable Members in this august House and not appointed by the Prime Minister or the Federal Government. Due respective of our political affiliation, ethnic background or religion we should all speak with one voice and in unity to protect, safeguard and defend the rights interest of Sarawak and its people. This was also the noble aspiration of our late Tok Nan and we in this august House should continue with his noble legacy to regain and restore whatever rights, privileges, interests of Sarawak that have been eroded or taken away and also at the same time to fight for the devolution of powers. Let us all today in this august House shows the Federal Government that every Honourable Members build the subject matter of safeguarding, the special rights and position of Sarawak under MA63 the constitutional instrument annexed thereto and to the aspiration of the Sarawakians for greater autonomy very, very seriously. I also hope that all Members of Parliament from Sarawak due respective whether they are from the government or from the opposition will all voice out in Parliament on Sarawak rights and interests especially on any Acts on Parliament which are inconsistent or contravene MA63 or any other Constitutional Instruments annexed thereto. Whatever was done correctly or was done incorrectly or wrongly in the past did not mean that they could not be corrected. This is an opportunity now for this august House to correct whatever was not right and we must make full use of this opportunity wisely and effectively. Where there are basis especially with supporting facts we can put up a strong case to rectify whatever was incorrect or not done properly or unconstitutionally in the past. They are not cast in stone. In fact, there is a need for a proper and a factual history text book to be written on the formation of Malaysia in cooperating MA63 and all the special rights such as 18 points for Sarawak and 20 points for Sabah and this should be included in our schools history curriculum. This is to enable Malaysians as a whole to have a full understanding on how Malaysia was formed and promote better understanding, goodwill, harmony and unity so that they will not question our rights and privileges. At present our younger generation has very little knowledge on how Malaysia was formed especially on the MA63, the Cobbold Commision and Inter-Governmental Committee Report. Yesterday in this august House, we could observe that our right Honourable Chief Minister has taken a bold step to introduce 5% sale stake on Petroleum products and able to rise an estimated sum of RM3.897 billion revenues for Sarawak in 2019. He has put up the biggest budget for Sarawak ever has. This clearly shows that our Chief Minister has the courage to exercise Sarawak rights. The opposition, especially the Honourable Member for Kota Sentosa which also the Honourable Member of Parliament for Stampin should not underestimate the courage of our Chief Minister when come to exercise Sarawak rights as well as defending and protecting Sarawak. Our Chief Minister has initiated the formation of Petros, DBoS, Sarawak Multimedia Authority, just to name a few all of which are exercising our Sarawak rights. If the opposition


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Members who spoke are genuinely and sincerely supporting Sarawak rights and interest they should do it whole heartedly and not making negative remarks that do not help to strengthen our fight for the restoration of Sarawak rights and interests. I hope the Honourable Members of Pakatan Harapan will stand stepfastly to fight for Sarawak rights and its interests in the spirit of ‘Agi Idup Agi Ngelaban’ when they face their bosses in Semenanjung Malaysia. It is heartening to note that the Opposition Members which spoken this morning all supported the Motion under deliberation and I hope that this Motion will receive the unanimous support of every Honourable Member. It is also hope that the consultative Committee formed by this august House will be successful in its noble vision on Sarawak rights privileges and interests and the devolutions of power as deliberated by the Honourable Minister for Tourism, Arts, Cultural Youth and Sports which also the Honourable Member for Asajaya. Thank you. Timbalan Speaker: Anymore Honourable Members who wish to speak? Honourable member for Kakus. YB Datuk John Sikie Anak Tayai (Menteri Muda Undang-Undang Adat dan Bumiputera): Thank you, Tuan Speaker. I raise on behalf of my constituency N.60 Kakus, I want to support the Ministrial Motion which was tabled by my neighbour the Honorable Member for N.15 Asajaya, to form a Consultative Committee. As we mentioned earlier this Consultative Committee is comprising of members of all political parties and of ethnics background in this august House. That is to look in depth into special interests rights and position of Sarawak as enshrined in MA63 in the Federal Constitution.

Tuan Speaker, pada 5hb September 2018, kabinet persekutuan menubuhkan Jawatankuasa Pemandu. Ini juga diikuti oleh pengumuman yang dibuat oleh Perdana Menteri, Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, dalam ucapan beliau sempena sambutan Perayaan Hari Malaysia di Kota Kinabalu pada 16 September 2018 yang lepas telah mengumumkan bahawa Kerajaan akan mengembalikan status rakan sekutu kepada Sabah dan Sarawak setelah kajian Perjanjian Malaysia 1963 (MA63) disiapkan. Kita menyokong sebarang usaha kerajaan dalam mengembalikan status Sarawak sebagai rakan sekutu dalam Malaysia dan seterusnya mengembalikan apa-apa hak Sarawak yang telah terhakis sejak perjanjian ini ditandatangani pada 7 Julai 1963 sehingga kini.

Kerajaan Persekutuan pada 10 Oktober 2018 yang lepas melalui Menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri, Datuk Liew Vui Keong, mengumumkan penubuhan Jawatankuasa Pemandu yang diketuai oleh Perdana Menteri Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad bagi menyemak dan menyelaraskan Perjanjian Malaysia 1963 (MA63). Jawatankuasa ini dianggotai oleh 16 orang anggota. Di mana anggotanya telah pun disebut oleh beberapa ahli yang telah berucap terlebih dahulu. Walau bagaimanapun, saya tidak bersetuju sama sekali mengenai komposisi anggota Jawatankuasa Pemandu ini kerana ianya tidak seimbang serta tidak mencerminkan kesamarataan keanggotaan. Sarawak hanya diwakili oleh dua orang wakil sahaja iaitu Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri kita dan Peguam Besar Negeri, manakala Yang Berhormat Menteri Kerja Raya, Encik Baru Bian adalah wakil Kerajaan Persekutuan. Perkara yang sama turut berlaku terhadap keanggotaan wakil dari negeri jiran kita, iaitu Sabah. Daripada 16 anggota dalam Jawatankuasa Pemandu ini, 12 adalah wakil dari Malaya. Komposisi ini amat tidak adil, seperti yang dinyatakan oleh beberapa Ahli Yang Berhormat tadi, serta mengecilkan suara dari Negeri kita. Seharusnya status Sarawak sebagai rakan sekutu dan kesamaan dalam Malaysia diterjemah dan digambarkan melalui kesamaan dalam komposisi anggota Jawatankuasa ini.


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Peranan Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri dalam Jawatankuasa Pemandu ini sebagai Pengerusi bagi saya adalah tidak sesuai kerana beliau turut dilihat sebagai wakil dari Kerajaan Persekutuan. Saya mencadangkan supaya Pengerusi seharusnya pihak yang berkecuali contohnya adalah wakil dari Kerajaan British yang mana semasa perjanjian 1963 ditandatangani ia turut di perkenan oleh pemerintah British pada ketika itu. Tambahan pula perjanjian ini telah ditandatangani di Pejabat Perhubungan Komanwel di Malborough House, London. Sebagai contohnya, wakil-wakil pada Perjanjian MA63 yang diadakan di London pada 9 Julai 1963 adalah seperti berikut:

Untuk mewakili United Kingdom iaitu, 1. Harold Macmillan; 2. Duncan Sandys; dan 3. Lansdowne.

For the Federation of Malaya, 1. Tunku Abdul Rahman; 2. Tun Abdul Razak; 3. Tan Siew Sin; 4. V.T. Sambanthan; 5. Ong Yoke Lin; dan 6. S.A. Lim. Untuk Sabah atau North Borneo, 1. Datu Mustapha Bin Datu Harun; 2. D.A Stephens; 3. W.K.H. Jones; 4. Khoo Siak Chiew; 5. W.S. Holley; dan 6. G.S. Sundang Untuk Sarawak, 1. P.E.H PIKE; 2. Tun Jugah; 3. Abang Haji Mustapha; 4. Ling Beng Siew; dan 5. Tun Datuk Abang Haji Openg. Dan Singapura pada masa itu ialah, 1. Lee Kuan Yew; dan 2. Goh Keng Swee.

Saya turut menyokong pandangan dan cadangan Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua

Menteri kita agar bilangan perwakilan dalam jawatankuasa ini ditetapkan secara sama rata iaitu lima dari Sarawak, lima dari Sabah dan lima dari Kerajaan Persekutuan. Komposisi ini adalah selari dengan wakil dari Sarawak dan Sabah yang menyaksikan perjanjian ini dibuat pada tahun 1963 iaitu masing-masing enam wakil dari Persekutuan Tanah melayu, Sarawak dan Sabah. Dengan ini segala perundingan dan keputusan akan dapat dibuat secara konsensus.


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Sesungguhnya Kerajaan Negeri untuk mengembalikan hak Sarawak berdasarkan Perjanjian MA63, diterjemahkan dengan menubuhkan Consultative Committee mewakili rakyat Sarawak. Jadi, apa-apa keputusan mengenai perjanjian MA63 ini hendaklah dirujuk terlebih dahulu kepada Jawatankuasa Perunding ini.

Maka, Tuan Speaker, dengan ini saya menyokong penubuhan Jawatankuasa Perunding yang dibentangkan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Tourism, Acts, Cultural, Youth and Sports. Terima kasih. Tuan Speaker: The Honourable Member for Meradong. YB Datuk Ding Kuong Hiing: Thank you Tuan Speaker. I rise to support the Motion moved by Ahli Yang Berhormat for Asajaya and I totally agree that the composition of the Steering Committee is lopsided and does not reflect the true representation as enshrined in Malaysian Agreement 63 (MA63) and Inter-Governmental Committee (IGC) Report which was based on the spirit of equal partner. So, I am must say that this Steering Committee has started off on the wrong footing. So it is timely that we introduce this Consultative Committee which consists of Members of this august House from all parties. Let us unite together, no more finger pointings who have done wrong or who is right. Let us forget about the past and concentrate on rallying behind our Yang Amat Berhormat Chief Minister so that together we try to get back what we lost over the years; and before I conclude, once again I would like to congratulate the Honorable Member for Asajaya for moving this Motion to form this Consultative Committee and I register my strong support for this Motion. Thank you very much. Tuan Speaker: The Honourable Member for Pelagus. YB Encik Wilson Nyabong Anak Ijang: Thank you very much Tuan Speaker for giving me the opportunity to join my fellow Members’ in this august House to debate and supporting of this Ministerial Motion which is a historic one. The Consultative Committee which we are going to form is appropriate because it is form by the members of the State Legislative Assembly who are elected by the people of Sarawak. I congratulate our Yang Amat Berhormat Chief Minister in allowing this Motion to be tabled in this august House. Yang Amat Berhormat our Chief Minister understands how important is MA63 to reclaim back what has been eroded for the last 55 years and also he knows how Malaysia was formed because his late father was one of the signatories of the Malaysia Agreement. The representation of the Special Cabinet Committee formed by the Federal Government should be structured like what Inter-Governmental Committee was and the four regions consist of Federal Malaya States (Malaya), Singapore, Sarawak and North Borneo (we now called Sabah) in forming Malaysia. It was equally represented. For me, I was disagreed with the composition of the representative of the Special Committee of MA63 to review the proposed measured to rectify the status of Sabah and Sarawak being eroded for the past 55 years formed by the Federal Government Cabinet headed by Yang Amat Berhormat the Prime Minister of Malaysia to review the purpose of Malaysia, to rectify the status. I suggest that the British Government should be represented in this Special Committee because the British Government was the party involved and I am doubtful of our Prime Minister to chair the Committee because he was the Federal leader then who has breached the MA63. May I ask whether there is any discussion or new legal document being signed by Malaya, Sarawak and Sabah after the exit of Singapore? To my knowledge


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based on MA63, Malaya should not have two third of Parliament seats. This what must remember. They must not have two third Parliament seats, it must have less than two third otherwise, they can what you called it, to amend the Constitution, so they must have less than two third Parliament seats and it is very clear that the Federal Government is breaching the MA63 where currently the total Parliamentary seats in Sarawak and Sabah is only 56 out of 222.

Thus, with this remark, in short, I fully support permission of this Consultative Committee by the State Government which is tabled by Ahli Yang Berhormat for Asajaya. Thank you very much Tuan Speaker. Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Sadong Jaya. YB Ir Aidel Bin Lariwoo: Thank you, Tuan Speaker. On MA63, all Sarawakians wanted a fair share given to Sarawak. The record shown to us, from 1975 which is after PDA 1974, 2017 Petronas through Federal Government only allocated total of RM33.65 billion as cash payment to Sarawak. So, that means on average they only allocated us RM801 million to Sarawak per year. This amount is so little when we compare with our state budget tabled by the Honourable Chief Minister yesterday amounting to more than RM10 billion.

So, Tuan Speaker, back to the history of formation of Malaysia, Sarawak formed Malaysia together with Malaya, Singapore and North Borneo and without Sarawak, there is no Malaysia, and let I add, without Sarawak oil, Malaya would not be as what they are now.

Tuan Speaker, on second point, I tend to agree with Tuan Speaker this morning on

suggestion to include some more members to be in the Consultative Committee especially members from the Opposition bench and from other races composition. And on my last note Tuan Speaker, I would like to congratulate and thank you to the Honourable Member for Asajaya for tabling this historic Motion on the formation of Consultative Committee comprising from all political parties in this august House. With that I beg to support this Motion, Tuan Speaker. Thank you. Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Gedong. YB Datuk Haji Mohd. Naroden Haji Majais (Menteri Muda Pembangunan Perusahaan Kecil dan Sederhana dan Usahawan): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. So, give me half an hour. Tuan Speaker: It is ten (10) minutes for everyone. YB Datuk Haji Mohd. Naroden Haji Majais (Menteri Muda Pembangunan Perusahaan Kecil dan Sederhana dan Usahawan): Tuan Speaker, terima kasih kerana memberi saya peluang untuk menyokong usul penubuhan Jawatankuasa Khas yang telah dibentangkan oleh sahabat saya Yang Berhormat dari Asajaya dan juga merangkap Menteri Muda Pelancongan, Kesenian, Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sukan Negeri Sarawak untuk menasihat serta memberi mandat kepada Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri bersama pasukannya supaya berunding dengan Jawatankuasa Rundingan MA63 peringkat pusat yang mana kita lihat tidak seimbang dan tidak adil walaupun kedudukan Sarawak sama rata dengan Malaya dan Sabah melalui MA63. Kita juga berterima kasih kepada Allahyarham Pehin Sri Tan Sri Datuk Amar Haji Adenan Bin Haji Satem, mantan Ketua Menteri kita yang telah mencetuskan idea perjuangan ini.


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Tuan Speaker, MA63 is the fundamental agreement and it is the Agreement which is the foundation for the formation of Malaysia, to repeat, without MA63, there is no Malaysia. Therefore, I would like to urge all of us, all members of this august House, Honourable Members of GPS as well as the Honourable Members of opposite bench, that this is not a blaming game Motion, pin-pointing fingers to the past things but this Motion is to put all the things into the right place.

Now let us be frank the opposite bench is the opposition in the State but the

Government at the Federal level. Even in your manifesto during the last PRU 14, you have said one of your fights is for the right of Sarawak and now that you are in the Government, what have you all done?

30 % development budget becomes 7%, 20% royalty becomes profit and loss and

50% of the revenue collected from the State shall be returned back to the State. Mana ada itu? So now, lets looks forward. So, therefore, this Motion by the Honourable Minister of Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports Sarawak is timely, calling all of us to unite together. Bring everybody within our constituencies together, stand united if you all have the heart for Sarawak and for the people of Sarawak.

This Motion is of the people, for the people and by the people. After all DUN is suara

rakyat and kuasa rakyat. Our struggles are common and that is, to protect the interest of Sarawak. Tuan Speaker, I have spent my 30 minutes. My constituents within N.26 Gedong and myself wish to support this Motion. Thank you. Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Lambir. YB Encik Ripin Bin Lamat: Tuan Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity to join the debate on ministerial Motion which was tabled by the Honourable Member for Asajaya, Minister of Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports to establish the Consultative Committee. The establishment of Consultative Committee is very important to safeguard the special interest, aspiration the right and position of Sarawak as enshrined in the MA63 and Federal Constitutional. The proposal of the Consultative Committee which represented by the Government and the opposition members is very right and this is giving the equal opportunity for both sides to voice, raise the concern, giving ideas, discuss and find the right way, the right methodology on how to preserve, protect and get back all the Sarawak rights which have been eroded and neglected for many years.

Tuan Speaker, for the question, “why now?” raised by the Pakatan Harapan Members, actually this question is merely rhetoric question, similar to the Pakatan Harapan PRU14 manifesto, a rhetoric manifesto. Actually one of the Pakatan Harapan main promises in the PRU14 manifesto is decentralisation of power to Sabah and Sarawak within five years. Perhaps, they just realised that our Right Honourable Chief Minister effort and move are far ahead of the planning or dream. Therefore, it is very crucial for this august House members to stand together one spirit, one voice, one move to support the establishment of this Consultative Committee. With that, I beg to support the Motion. Thank you. Timbalan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Samariang. YB Puan Hajah Sharifah Hasidah Binti Sayeed Aman Ghazali (Menteri Muda Undang-undang, Hubungan Negeri-Persekutuan dan Pemantauan Projek): Terima kasih, Tuan Speaker. I stand to support the Motion by Ahli Yang Berhormat for Asajaya for the formation


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of the Consultative Committee. This is an important step for us and the way forward to handle matters and negotiation on the Malaysia Agreement.

We must have a structured and coordinated approach and a platform for deliberation before our Chief Minister or our Chief Negotiator, go and negotiate with the Federal Government on this matter which consumes the hearts and minds of all Sarawakians.

The constitutional safeguard for Sabah and Sarawak have been provided in the Federal Constitution as follows. I would like to share with the Dewan. Several article in Part VI on relation between the Federation and the States. Part VII Financial Provisions, Financial Review on Special Grants for Sabah and Sarawak like borrowing powers to the State. Part XI on the judiciary, on the establishment of the High Court of Borneo later of course known as the High Court of Sabah and Sarawak. Part XII A, Additional Protections for Sabah and Sarawak. Ninth Schedule to include addition to the State list and concurrent list for Sabah and Sarawak. Tenth Schedule Special Grant and Additional Sources of Revenue for Sabah and Sarawak.

That is why the Chief Minister yesterday decided to imposed sales tax on petroleum product yesterday which is the additional sources of revenue for Sabah and Sarawak. It is hoped that with this Consultative Committee, any review on MA63 should be aimed at identifying and remedying any breach of any term of the MA63 and the spirit and intent of MA63 having regards to the representation made to the Cobbold Commission and the report thereof and the recommendation contain in the IGC Report. Also the review should aim at looking into the performance and the discharge by the Federal Government of its obligation, assurances and undertaking express or implied under the MA63. The review on MA63 should also, we should also fight for greater or more autonomy for the State of Sarawak to cover the administration of any matters or provision of Federal Laws such as those relating to education and health.

Breach of the Malaysia Agreement 63 does not mean only the breach of its terms but also the spirit and which the parties agreed to the formation of Malaysia and also breach of the safeguard invaded in the Federal Constitution and the policies of the Federal Government.

Some of this breaches have been pointed out in the previous devolution of power

deliberation with the federal authorities and these included: -

1. Failure to undertake periodical financial review on the Special Grant as required under Article 112(D) of the Federal Constitution;

2. Return of land not needed for federal purposes as provided for in Section 75

of Malaysia Act 1963; and 3. Revenue from land, stamp duties for the transfer, charge, lease and mortgage

ofland chargeable on instruments prescribed in the Land Code of Sarawak.

We are also not satisfied with the performances or discharge of matters placed in the Federal List and over which the Federal Government have executive authority and they have failed to meet the expectation of the people of Sarawak especially in the subject matters of education and health in the Federal List and housing and provision for housing accommodation in the concurrent lease but financial obligation assumed by the Federal Government and under Article 82(a).

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Government can have their own committee, they can have their own people but we want our Sarawak Government to have our own people to be supporting the Chief Minister in his negotiation with the Federal Government. Yes? No… ya… Timbalan Speaker: Are you taking? YB Puan Hajah Sharifah Hasidah Binti Sayeed Aman Ghazali (Menteri Muda Undang-undang, Hubungan Negeri-Persekutuan dan Pemantauan Projek): I only have like 10 minutes. Ya, can you debate after this, maybe you can stand up after this? Timbalan Speaker: Okay, clarification. YB Puan Hajah Sharifah Hasidah Binti Sayeed Aman Ghazali (Menteri Muda Undang-undang, Hubungan Negeri-Persekutuan dan Pemantauan Projek): Ya. Tuan Speaker: What’s the question? The Honourable Minister for Padungan. YB Encik Wong King Wei: Thank you, Tuan Speaker. Timbalan Speaker: Just the question. YB Encik Wong King Wei: Thank you, Honourable Assistant Minister. With regards to the trip, the rombongan that has been sent to England lead by the Honourable Assistant Minister and the documents has been alleged that the documents has been obtained and very important historical documents obtained and will be published to the public for viewing. And until now there is no news either. My question is whether the Assistant Minister will publish the documents and also supply a copy to the Consultative Committee? YB Puan Hajah Sharifah Hasidah Binti Sayeed Aman Ghazali (Menteri Muda Undang-undang, Hubungan Negeri-Persekutuan dan Pemantauan Projek): Of course. The need to... ya we will look into the documents which we brought from London, ya. Ya its used for us to in our negotiation, in our discussion of course in the Consultative Committee I’m sure. Ya. YB Encik Wong King Wei: ...inaudible... Timbalan Speaker: She has answered the question. It will be available. It will be available to the Consultative Committee. YB Puan Hajah Sharifah Hasidah Binti Sayeed Aman Ghazali (Menteri Muda Undang-undang, Hubungan Negeri-Persekutuan dan Pemantauan Projek): Yes. Okay. I want to conclude my... YB Encik Wong King Wei: ...inaudible... YB Puan Hajah Sharifah Hasidah Binti Sayeed Aman Ghazali (Menteri Muda Undang-undang, Hubungan Negeri-Persekutuan dan Pemantauan Projek): No. In the Consultative Committee. Once we... ya... We will discuss those documents to support what we are trying to fight for now. I have answered that. Okay because of what I’ve said just now with all this negotiation it is very important so that is why I stand here today to support the formation of this Consultative Committee and I think this is the best way to go forward for us to support the Chief Minister in his negotiation with the Federal Government. Thank you. Timbalan Speaker: The Honourable Member for Repok.


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YB Dato’ Sri Huang Tiong Sii: Tuan Speaker, terima kasih kerana memberi kesempatan kepada saya untuk mengambil bahagian dalam perbahasan usul penubuhan Jawatankuasa Perundingan Perjanjian Malaysia 1963 (MA63) Undang–undang dalam Dewan yang mulia ini. Tuan Speaker, usul ini menunjukkan bahawa Kerajaan Sarawak amat serius dalam perjuangan hak-hak Sarawak yang telah diambil semasa penubuhan Malaysia. Semua parti politik di Negeri ini serta Ahli Dewan Undangan Negeri (ADUN) perlu bersatu dan berjuang bersama-sama bagi memastikan hak Negeri ini dapat dituntut dan dikembalikan mengikut Perjanjian Malaysia 1963 (MA63) yang menunjukkan kesinambungan dan perpaduan rakyat di Negeri ini. Oleh itu saya amat menyokong usul itu dan menyifatkan ia sebagai satu landasan terbaik untuk Negeri ini menuntut hak MA63. Saya juga amat mengalu-alukan usul itu dan berharap ia dapat diluluskan di DUN bagi membolehkan kita bersama-sama berjuang tanpa mengira ideologi politik. Saya dengan ini menyokong usul penubuhan Jawatankuasa Perundingan MA63 pada persidangan Dewan Undangan ini. Sekian, terima kasih. Timbalan Speaker: No more Members who wish to speak? I shall now call upon Yang Berhormat for Daro. YB Encik Safiee Bin Haji Ahmad: Terima kasih Tuan Speaker memberi peluang kepada saya untuk turut sama membahas usul yang telah dikemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Pelancongan, Kesenian, Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sukan berhubung tentang mengwujudkan satu Jawatankuasa Perundingan dalam kita menangani MA63 ini. Tuan Speaker, saya melihat apa yang kita bincangkan hari ini adalah ianya sebagai satu amanat yang telah dimulakan oleh Allahyarham Pehin Sri Tok Nan yang telah terang dan banyak telah kita bincangkan tadi tentang kita nak memperjuangkan hak kita di Negeri Sarawak yang kita cintai ini selaras dengan MA63. Dan kita juga berterima kasih kepada Kerajaan Persekutuan kerana telah nampak membuka ruang di mana Yang Berhormat Perdana Menteri pada 15 September 2018 yang lepas telah bersetuju untuk membentuk satu Jawatankuasa Pemandu. Apa yang kita lihat dalam keputusan tersebut nampaknya berlaku ketidakadilan dalam kombinasi pembentukan jawatankuasa tersebut yang kita lihat Sabah, Sarawak dan Semenanjung Malaysia ini merupakan satu equal partner. Bayangkan Tuan Speaker, dalam 17 kombinasi ahli jawatankuasa dalam Jawatankuasa Pemandu, 13 daripadanya mewakili Kerajaan Persekutuan. Sedangkan Sabah dan Sarawak cuma diwakili oleh dua ahli sahaja. Jadi tindakan yang telah dilaksanakan oleh Yang Amat Berhormat Datuk Patinggi (Dr) Abang Haji Abdul Rahman Zohari selaku Ketua Menteri kita membawa usul ini adalah bukan kerana beliau seperti yang kita katakan chickened out tetapi terpanggil untuk melihat bahawa isu MA63 ini adalah isu kita rakyat Sarawak. Jadi usul yang telah dikemukakan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri dalam Dewan yang mulia ini adalah amat bertepatan sekali kerana kita dapat memastikan supaya apa tindakan keputusan yang akan diambil nanti adalah mewakili rakyat Negeri Sarawak ini. Jadi katakanlah, bayangkanlah sekiranya tidak diwujudkan Jawatankuasa Perundingan ini, kalau kita teruskan dengan Jawatankuasa Pemandu yang sedia ada, kalau apa-apa keputusan dalam mesyuarat berkenaan sekira dikehendaki melakukan satu pengundian sudah pasti kita akan kalah. Kerana kita cuma diwakili oleh dua orang sahaja.

Jadi dengan ini, Tuan Speaker, saya mewakili rakyat khususnya di kawasan N.43 Daro menyokong sepenuhnya usul ini dan saya juga melihat cadangan yang telah dikemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Kota Sentosa supaya menambah kombinasinya merupakan satu cadangan yang baik supaya Jawatankuasa Perundingan yang kita bentuk nanti adalah mewakili seluruh rakyat di Negeri Sarawak ini tanpa mengira fahaman politik mana-mana pihak. Jadi dengan itu Tuan Speaker, saya menyokong usul ini.


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Terima kasih. Tuan Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Layar. YB Encik Gerald Rentap Jabu: Terima kasih Tuan Speaker, I stand here in support of the Ministrial Motion to form a committee by Yang Berhormat Minister of Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports. I concurred with my fellow Ahli Yang Berhormat that this is the important step to further safeguard and enhance our rights enshrined in MA63. To me in the spirit of the formation of Malaysia, all communities and races were consulted and agreed to the formation for a better future. Sama-sama maju and in that respect I also beg that this Committee be expanded to have more representatives in communities in Sarawak and our expression is that we will not be left behind.

There are still much to be done and to be par with the development based in Malaya especially. With the community, we can bring about full mandate the voice of Sarawakian for our Yang Amat Berhormat Ketua Menteri to negotiate with the Federal Steering Committee. Maybe they need GPS to make sure this go to the right direction and using this opportunity, please make amends and bring back more powers, so that all of us Sarawakians can be stronger and this right to create a better future for Sarawak. On behalf of my constituent, I beg to support the Motion. Thank you. Tuan Speaker: Any other Honorable Members wish to speak? This is a record of 29 Honorable Members participating in the debate of this Motion. I shall now call upon the Honorable Minister for Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports and Member for Asajaya to wind up. YB Datuk Haji Abdul Karim Rahman Hamzah (Menteri Pelancongan, Kesenian, Kebudayaan, Belia Dan Sukan): Thank you, Tuan Speaker. When I move this Motion this morning, never cross my mind that so many Honourable Members would be participating. Actually, it is not 29 that participating. There are 31 of Honourable Members that has deliberated and debated on this Motion. I wish to thank The Honourable Member from Semop for seconding this Motion, Honourable Members for Tasik Biru, Ba’Kelalan, Telang Usan, Jemoreng, Kota Sentosa, Batu Kitang, Samalaju, Balai Ringin, Palawan, Piasau, Nangka, Bukit Goram, Muara Tuang, Tanjung Datu, Marudi, Tupong, Pantai Damai, Telian, Belaga, Senadin, Kakus, Meradong, Pelagus, Sadong Jaya, Gedong, Lambir, Semariang, Repok, Daro dan akhir sekali daripada Layar for participating the debate on this Motion.

I can only conclude that the interest that has been created by them participating even though this Motion was only introduced today, it was not given to them, none of them were prepared and then, none of them also knows who are sitting in, even those that I have mentioned this morning, they themselves do not know they are going to be nominated to be sitting in this Consultative Committee, but they have turned up to deliberate and debate on this matter. That reflects the kind of interest of as well as patience and commitment Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat towards this subject matter on Sarawak rights and interests.

As a Sarawakian, I feel very-very proud when I see elected members, Honourable Members coming together in this august House supporting this Bill which I believe is a historic moment as well as something which will go through the anal of history as an important day in the history of the Council Negri of Sarawak where on the 26 September 1962, the Council Negri had adopted without descent the Motion on the establishment composition and Terms of Reference of the IGC or the Inter-Governmental Committee and the sub committees prior to the formation of Malaysia. Today we are visiting, revisiting this matter and creating which after this will be coming over to our vote which I hope will be an


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anonymous decision coming to a vote to decide again how we are going to approach this matter.

It has been 55 years after we form Malaysia. 55 years, and just like any marriage, of course there are happiness and of course there are unhappiness. Well, I am not saying that we should go on a confrontation Sarawakian has been very matured in their outlook. We don’t go to the street to protest our displeasure. That is the reason why I had been mentioned by Jemoreng, I still remember this morning, this is the avenue for us to discuss, to deliberate and forward our decisions, our views to Putrajaya.

So today, I can see Petra Jaya has created a history in deliberating sending that signal to Putrajaya how we should approach this problem, how we should approach this issue when we want to get Malaysia to be a better structure, a better place. There is no issue about Sarawak going for secession; there is no issue of Sarawak wanted to be independent or to be on their own, but what we are doing today is to make how to get Malaysia to be better united with progress or procedures when we raise an issue. Well, Tuan Speaker, the subject matter that you have deliberated relates to our rights and interest and I can see that we are able to speak as one voice whether we are from the Government side or whether we are from the opposition side and despite that little bit of punches which are included in the debate the whole day today, generally I can say that all of us are united as one when the interest of Sarawak is affected.

I won’t dwell into what will be discussed by the committee. YB from Kota Sentosa did mentioned about, did he ask about what is to be discussed and all that. That is for the Consultative Committee to decide what are the matters that they are going to discuss and what are the matters that need to be brought forward. Semariang has somewhere give us a little bit of handshake on what are the matters which need to be discussed. As it is suffice to say that there are many matters among them in the Ninth and Tenth Schedule of the Federal Constitution which relates to Legislative and Financial Provision which needs a revisit. Another matter which I also see need a revisit is a matter on tourism since I am looking after tourism.

When Malaysia was formed among some of the matters that was not even in the Federal List and not even in the State List was tourism. Tourism was one of them, environment was one of them, probably 1963 nobody knows about environment yet. About the importance of preserving our environment. Another subject matter which was not really being seen because 1963 tourism is not really an important component or industry. But through the years you can see that tourism is a very important industry which many countries are deliberating on now. So when a matter is not in the Federal List or in the State List those subject matter are consider to be in the Residual List and Residual List means a matter which should be handled by the State.

Unfortunately, along the way I am not mistaken in the 90’s that matter on tourism was secretly being bulldozed through to be a Federal matter. I am just giving one example what are the problems that has happened through the 55 years how some matters, how our interest or how those matters that should be handled by the State has been taken over by the Federal Government. So that makes it very very important for this Consultative Committee to be in place so that we can advise those who are going to seat down there representing us that is Right Honourable our Chief Minister after our deliberation what are the matters the financial matters the other rights that has slowly been diminished through the years whether secara sengaja ataupun tidak sengaja which our Right Honourable can bring forward to the Steering Committee in their discussion so that with the hope that it could be corrected and this way I believe it will make Malaysia or the component of Malaysia that is the three region that formed Malaysia in 1963 to be rightly place as what have been mentioned by Pantai Damai on the 16th of September this year in Kota Kinabalu the Prime


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Minister has openly mentioned for the first time actually that he acknowledged Malaysia is formed by three region without Singapore, Singapore is not being mentioned anymore because it has left.

The three regions are Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak. But when one of the regions

feels that there are not being treated fairly when there are matters that need to be corrected how do you resolve those issues? In federalism form of Government which is being practice in Australia, which is being practice in Canada also. The proper way is for the Federal Government or the Central Government and the State Government or the Provision Government to sit down and discuss. How do they discussed in a federalism form of Government it is by way of IGC and that is exactly what we are trying to do here to find a way who should be sitting in the IGC what are the matters that need to be deliberated in the IGC what are the matters that has been we feel that have been eroded or has been diminished through the years. Well the composition I will fully agree it has been mentioned this morning. I have mentioned about 11 names which comprise of those in the Government and those from the members of the opposition.

Along the way, Yang Berhormat Tuan Speaker, has proposed which can be

deliberated by us three other names. I don’t have any other objection to it that is Yang Berhormat from Tanjung Batu, Yang Berhormat Chiew Chiu Sing, Yang Berhormat Ali Biju from Krian and Yang Berhormat Gerawat Gala from Mulu. Well, I leave it to Honourable Tuan Speaker to deliberate on this and Honourable Members of this House to deliberate on this matter and probably from there we can sit down and put our views across South China Sea to Kuala Lumpur, Putrajaya.

I think on this note, Tuan Speaker, sekali lagi saya ingin mengucapkan setinggi-tinggi

terima kasih kepada Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat kerana telah berhujah menyokong. I can see that there is no one or no Honourable Member who has expressed the objection to this motion that I have moved this morning but we will see after the casting of the vote later on how many of us are supporting and how many of us are not supporting or opposing it but as the mover of this motion and in view of the important of this matter, I believe and I do hope that to see the whole House, Honourable Members of this House to be united in one voice whether we are from different of the bench or different part of the divide. That is my hope and my only regret Tuan Speaker, this motion has taken away one day of the Supply Bill debate. Very-very sorry for that and it is not intended that way. I do know that it will have some effects on the debate for the Supply Bill.

Jadi dengan itu, terima kasih sekali lagi kepada Ahli-Ahli Yang Berhormat. Terima

kasih. Tuan Speaker: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, I shall now put the motion to the vote. I shall direct the Secretary to count the votes. Those in favour of the Honourable Minister for Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports and Honourable Member for Asajaya. Those in favour of the motion please raise your hand. Ahli-Ahli Yang Berhormat, I hereby declare that the Ministerial Motion in the name of the Honourable Minister for Tourism, Arts, Culture, Youth and Sports and Honourable Member for Asajaya is unanimously approved.

USUL DARIPADA AHLI DEWAN BIASA Tuan Speaker: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, I have received dated 25th October 2018 from the Honorable Member for Pujut under Standing Order 15. I shall call upon him to read out his Motion.


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MOTION 1 YB Dr Ting Tiong Choon: Thank you, Tuan Speaker. My Motion reads as follows: WHEREAS Standing Order 21 (6) of the Dewan Undangan Negeri Sarawak stated that, “If an oral answer to a question is not required or if a written answer is directed under Standing Order 19 (3), the Minister to whom it is addressed should send copies of the answers to the Secretary who shall call such answers to be included in the Official Report.” AND WHEREAS my 10 questions to the Ministers in the last DUN Sitting in June, 2018 were reply in October, 2018. Five of these questions to the Chief Minister Department were reply on 19th October 2018, which is four days after the due date to submit questions for the current sessions. AND THAT the delay in receiving an answers from Ministers are not acceptable and as it may affect the provision of services to the community. THEREFORE IT IS MOVED THAT IS HOW HERE BY RESOLVE THAT:

1. The Ministers to reply all question either oral or written on or before the last sitting day of the current session;

2. The Ministers who fail to reply in time are to contribute RM10.00 for each day

of delay in replying by due date to a Charitable Organisation nominated by the Members.

Thank you. THIS HOUSE HEREBY RESOLVES THAT: Tuan Speaker: This Motion seeks to resolve:

(a) The Minister to reply all questions either oral or written on or before the last sitting day of the current session.

(b) The Ministers who failed to reply in time are to contribute RM10 for each day

delay in replying by the due date to a Charitable Organisation nominated by the Member.

This Motion is rejected on the ground that Standing Order 21 (6), does not provide a prescribed time for a Minister to send copies of the answer to the Secretary. In other words, no time-frame is imposed on a Minister to send copies of the answer to the Secretary. There is no provision in the Standing Order on penalty or payment for any delays in replying to any question. Hence, this does not constitute an offence and there is no provision under the Standing Order that can compel any Member to make any payment or penalty. This Motion seeks the Minister to contribute RM10 for each day delay in replying by the due date to a Charitable Organisation nominated by the Member is irrelevant, immaterial and of no effect since that, there is no due date required under the Standing Order. Motion is dismissed. Tuan Speaker: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, I... (Interruption) YB Encik Chong Chieng Jen: Tuan Speaker, similar to what was encountered by Member for Pujut. Six or seven of my questions are also I received it after the due date for


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submission of question in this session. I received the answers to the question I submitted for the last Sitting after the closing date for submission of the question for the present Sitting.

Yes, Tuan Speaker, although there is no time limit set by Standing Order, but I do not think that this is proper Parliamentary practice for the administration to delay answering questions from the Members of this House because you as the Speaker, I believe Tuan Speaker you have the duty also to ensure that these Ministers practice good Parliamentary practice in promptly answering questions submitted by the Members of this House and not to just condone them to submit. If what we said, if it goes by your interpretation that there is no time limit submit for the Ministers to answer the question, they can delay answering question indefinitely. Then, what is the purpose?

Tuan Speaker, we take pride in this august House. We take pride to be the oldest

Parliament in Malaysia and this practice should not be allowed and should not be encouraged and I am ashamed of the Ministers who delay in answering question submitted by the Honourable Member from this House. So, I hope that Tuan Speaker do have a worked with the relevant Ministers and my question here for them is from the Jabatan Ketua Menteri, and one from Menteri Kewangan dan Perancangan Ekonomi. So, I believe Member from Pujut suffers the same fate. His questions suffer the same fate. Many of us, come on Tuan Speaker, have a word with the Cabinet Ministers here and do not reduce the status of this House. Thank you, Tuan Speaker. Tuan Speaker: Be it as it may, it is not that I condone that there is nothing in the provision in the Standing Order that can compel me. I can direct to various Departments and Ministries, but there is nothing in the Standing Order that can compel me to penalize the Members. Whether it is good Parliament practice or not, I shall direct but there is no provision that provides where the Minister is penalized and to pay a penalty.

Ahli Yang Berhormat, I received a Motion dated 29th October 2018 from Honourable Member for Pelawan as I call upon him to read up his Motion.

MOTION 2

YB Encik David Wong Kee Woan: Thank you, Tuan Speaker. WHEREAS despite inheritance the best tradition in Westminster Parliamentary system. Sarawak DUN is commonly seen as nothing more than a rubber stamp. Unable to check and balance the spending of the executive powers here by the Government of the day; AND WHEREAS much needed democratic and institution to reform to restore the importance principle of separation of powers among the executive, legislation and judiciary to ensure the independence, credibility, professionalism and integrity of national institution; AND WHEREAS the Parliamentary reform should be so prerogative of the Parliament and not contingence of the Executive or Cabinet approval; and THEREFORE IT IS MOVE THAT THIS HOUSE HEREBY RESOLVE THAT the Dewan to set up a special Select Committee which include the Members of opposition chaired by the Speaker to look into the DUN Sarawak reform as foregoing:

1. To amend the Standing Order, to fulfill the independence of DUN Sarawak from the interference of the executive branch;


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2. Public Account Committee (PAC) is to be chaired by the Member of opposition like at the Dewan Rakyat; and

3. Implementing the existing constituency developing funds for all the ADUN

including allocation for ADUN Officer and administrative needs including engaging Research Officers and staff for the ADUN Office.

Tuan Speaker: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat. This Motion does not particularise or condescend specifically into particulars which provision of the Standing Order ought to be amended. The Standing Order is normally not amended by way of motion, but by a Bill through or by way of Motion. The Standing Order does not provide that the Chairman of Public Account Committee ought to be a Member of the opposition. No does the Standing Order specifically mentioned that a Deputy Chairman ought to be a Member of the opposition. There is no provision in the Standing Order on the position of a Deputy Chairman. There is no necessity to amend the present Standing Order which was last amended in November 2011. As the present provisions are deemed sufficient to meet the current situation and the development in the Parliamentary practices.

Further, this Motion also seeks to implement the system of constituency development funds for all the ADUN including the allocation for ADUN Officers and administrative needs including engaging Research Officers and staff for the ADUN office would require a substantial amount of expenditure. Hence, it is rejected on the ground that it is out of order as it infringes Standing Order 23 (4)(a) which reads “A Motion seeking a grant, charge or expenditure of public money shall not be proceeded with unless the recommendation of the Government thereto is signified in writing by the Minister in-charge with the responsibility for finance.”

This Motion is also rejected on the ground of non-compliance with Standing Order

23(5) as the Motion relates directly or indirectly to seeking of a grant and shall be treated as seeking grant unless the said Minister in-charge of finance dignifies in writing that it does not go beyond what is incidental only and not of a substantial nature having regard to the purposes of the Motion which in this case has not been obtained. The Motion is dismissed.

YB Encik David Wong Kee Woan: Tuan Speaker, thank you. That’s why I submit the Motion. We all understand the first Motion that there are a lot in Standing Order, that is, out of time. The Minister doesn’t reply the question in time is one of them. Everytime the opposition Member moves a Motion, for whatever reason, there is always the contingence on the executive, the Finance Minister to approve it, whenever a single cent is being spent. And how can we be independent, how can we be a three sister in principle of separation of powers. That is why I have moved the Motion again and again tirelessly, just to hope that you as the Chairman of this Dewan should look into this and we can sit down and see how we can improve and reform DUN. Tuan Speaker, thank you. Tuan Speaker: Honourable Members, the Standing Orders are as they are, not as they ought to be. Therefore, the ruling is made on the current Standing Orders unless they are amended. It is not for the Speaker to amend. Ahli-ahli Yang Berhomat I have received a Motion dated 26th October 2018 on the Honourable Member for Batu Lintang. I shall call upon the Honourable Member for Batu Lintang to read out his Motion.


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MOTION 3

YB Encik See Chee How: Thank you, Tuan Speaker. Tuan Speaker: You have two Motions. This one is on the Deputy Chief Minister. YB Encik See Chee How: Yes, Tuan Speaker. My humble Motions reads: WHEREAS

1. Referring to the two winding up addresses delivered in this august House on 16th November 2017 and 17th July 2018 respectively and the statement published on an online portal Dayak Daily on 21st August 2018, the Honourable Deputy Chief Minister II, the Minister for Infrastructure, Development and Transportation, Honourable Member for N.64 Baleh, had given three different versions as to the content of the proposed second trunk road project. As the Honourable Minister who is having charge of the mega project, said to cost the State an enormous RM4 billion to RM6 billion, the Honourable Deputy Chief Minister II should not have been reckless and without reasons giving the details and particulars of the subject project, thereby giving accounts that are untruthful and amounting to being misled this Dewan. Hence a breach of privilege hence will affect the power of privileges of this Dewan.

2. The matter was raised at the earliest opportunity via a letter to the Honourable

Speaker on 24th August 2018 to lodge a complaint with the Honourable Speaker and to seek leave to present this notice of Motion to refer the Honourable Deputy Chief Minister II to the Committee of Privileges.

WHEREFORE THIS DEWAN IS MOVED TO RESOLVE:

1. To refer the matter complaint of, to the Committee of Privileges; and

2. To relief the Honourable Member from the Committee of Privileges. Under Standing Order, the selected committee do nominate another member to serve in his place until the Committee of Privileges has reported on the matter in question.

Thank you. Tuan Speaker: This motion raises a subject-matter which had been highlighted and deliberated by the Honourable Member in a letter dated 24th August 2018 addressed to the Speaker pursuant to Standing Order 73.

The said subject-matter is within the purview of Standing Order 73(3)(b) which states that:

“Any complaint made by a member to the Speaker while the Dewan is not sitting.”

The proviso of Standing Order 73(3) reads: “Provided that no matter shall be referred to the Committee of Privileges under subparagraph (a) or (b) unless the Speaker is satisfied that the matter complained of affects the privileges of the Dewan.”

This Motion erroneously cited Standing Order 23(p). There is no provision Standing Order 23(p), there is Standing Order 23(2)(p).


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The said subject-matter was expressed by the Honourable Member in a press statement which was published by the Borneo Post on 25th August 2018.

I had issued a press statement dated 29th August 2018 explaining and deliberating that there had been manifestly no inconsistencies and contradictions in the three statements made by the Honourable Deputy Chief Minister on 16th November 2017 and 17th July 2018, and in his interview with the Dayak Daily on 21st August 2018.

This Motion seeks leave to refer the Honourable Deputy Chief Minister and Member for Baleh to the Committee of Privileges on his allegation that the Honourable Deputy Chief Minister had been “reckless” and/or “negligent”.

The Oxford English Dictionary, definition of ‘RECKLESS’ according to Concise Oxford English Dictionary Revised 10th Edition is “Without thought or care for the consequences of an action.”

Negligents - “Failure to take proper care over something. Breach of a duty of care which results in damage.”

Black’s Law Dictionary 8th Edition, the definition of ‘RECKLESS’ is “characterized by the creation of a substantial and unjustifiable risk of harm to others and by a conscious (and sometimes deliberate) disregard for or indifference to that risk; heedless; rash.

“Reckless conduct is much more than mere negligence: it is a gross deviation from what a reasonable person would do.”

Negligent is “characterized by a person’s failure to exercise the degree of care that someone of ordinary prudence would have exercised in the same circumstance.”

The Deputy Chief Minister and Minister of Infrastructure Development and Transportation had committed none of these and Honourable Member for Batu Lintang had not proven that the Deputy Chief Minister had been reckless and/or negligence. Let alone trying to mislead the Dewan.

Under Standing Order 32(12): “Any member who makes any statement in the Dewan that deliberately misleads the Dewan is deemed to be out of order or to be in contempt.”

The misleading must be deliberate. There is no proof that the Honourable Deputy Chief Minister had deliberately misled the Dewan.

As such the Honourable Deputy Chief Minister and Minister of Infrastructure Development and Transportation shall not be referred to the Committee of Privileges. Motion is dismissed. Tuan Speaker: Honourable Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, I had received a motion dated 26th October 2018 from the Honourable Member for Batu Lintang. I shall call upon the Honourable Member for Batu Lintang to read out his Motion.

MOTION 4

YB Encik See Chee How: Thank you, Tuan Speaker. My motion reads:


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WHEREAS,

1. On the 15th November 2017, this Dewan has rejected the Motion which inter-alia call on the State Government to appoint on the independent dam consultant to examine the Bengoh Dam seepages to determine its potential risk of harming the dam and to audit the safety of the dam;

2. The Motion was rejected as the Honourable Minister of Public Utilities has

critically stated that safety and integrity of the dam have not been compromised that the consultant had an existing and valid agreement with dam experts of Halcrow or CH2M or Jacobs to monitor or carrying out periodic inspections and any dependent 3rd party review dam consultant JP Wahba, GHD Australia is engaged to carry out ongoing reviews and audit on the safety and integrity of the Bengoh Dam;

3. There is no such existing agreement on the engagement on Halcrow, CH2M,

Jacobs and JP Wahba and GHD Australia in 2018; 4. The State Government has borne the cost of engaging Jurutera Jasa Sarawak

Sendirian Berhad to carry out the post construction independent review on Bengoh Dam at the estimated cost RM750,000 and possibly incurred further undetermined cost to remedy the seepages; and

5. The Honourable Minister is capable of misleading this Dewan through

incompetence or deliberately without the factual matrix of the matter and thereby committed a contempt in this honourable House.

WHEREFORE THIS DEWAN IS MOVED TO RESOLVE to require the Honourable Minister of Public Utilities to make a suitable apology in this august House and to make a disclosure of factual matrix relating to the safety of the Bengoh Dam. Tuan Speaker: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, I had received a reply from the Ministry of Public Utilities dated 29th October 2018. Let me read out the reply.

The contractor’s dam consultant is KTA (Sarawak) Sdn Bhd. In 2003, KTA (Sarawak) Sdn Bhd signed an agreement with Halcrow Jurutera Perunding Sdn Bhd for the provision of expert advice and assistance at the detailed design and construction stages. Those services have been provided.

Subsequently, Halcrow was bought over by CH2M which was further bought over by Jacobs Engineering Group.

Under the agreement, Halcrow came for periodic inspection during the construction stages but it was not in their scope to provide post-construction monitoring or inspection.

As recorded in the Hansard, it was never mentioned in the Dewan that there was an existing agreement for Halcrow/CH2M/Jacobs to monitor or carry out periodic inspection for the post-construction stage. The peer review consultant, Jurutera Perunding Wahba, was appointed by JKR Sarawak to carry out the review for the design and construction stages.

Jurutera Perunding Wahba agreed Mr Brian Forbes who was a renowned roller compacted concrete dam expert to carry out the review. The review did not include for the post construction stage.


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As recorded in the Hansard, it was never mentioned in the Dewan that Jurutera Perunding Wahba was engaged to carry out the on-going review and audit on the safety and integrity of the Bengoh Dam.

In fact, it was provided in the hansard that a new audit is planned for at the end of 2017/2018. The new audit has been carried out by a third party review consultant, Jurutera Jasa (Sarawak) Sdn Bhd, which was appointed in May 2018, to carry out the Third Party Review for Bengoh Dam’s Safety. The review is on-going and the initial finding concurred with the contractor’s consultant’s earlier assessment that the integrity and safety of the dam are not compromised. Under the contract, the contractor Naim Land Sdn Bhd is required to make good any defects concerning the dam including seepages at their own cost during defect liability period. These works are being carried out and nearly completed.

As such, there is no misleading of the Dewan through incompetence or deliberately fiddling the factual matrix of the matter as alleged by Yang Berhormat for DUN Batu Lintang. With that, the motion is dismissed. YB Encik See Chee How: Tuan Speaker, let me just read out this part of the hansard that is on the 15th November 2017 page 58 of the hansard, paragraph 4, he says: I quote, in fact recently CH2M has being further acquired by Jacobs, sorry the next paragraph more relevant, the same expert previously from Halcrow, CH2M, Jacobs, Mr. Anthony Morrison was engaged by the local consultant to make the periodic inspection. He stayed six days in Kuching, in October 2017. The agreement signed between the local consultant and Halcrow remains valid with Halcrow responsibility assumed by the takeover company. This clearly pointed out that, talking about an existing agreement that is still valid on that day 15th November 2017. So obviously there is an existing agreement in that sense. So I don’t know why the statement was saying that there was no existing agreement, and if you read the whole thing, it quite clearly stated that they are implying all these existing agreements that they have with all these dam consultants and whether it is auditing, whether it is construction and design. That is the reason why we are quite convinced at that time that the Motion should be dismissed, that we take the ground to believe that there is the integrity but wait for the third party consultant to come and inspect the dam. But there is no such third party inspection from these international experts but we engaged local consultant which we have no doubt of their expertise but I think those should be said earlier. If you don’t have but you are going to engage, do so but not to use all these renowned dam consultants, construction companies and all these and say, look we have all these, why do you worry. So that is the thing. Let me just put this in record. Thank you, Tuan Speaker. Tuan Speaker: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, the stand of the Ministry is firm and unshakeable that the safety of the dam has not been compromised and the integrity of the dam has not been compromised and they are absolutely certain that the arrangement in the post construction arrangement has been done through what has been set. Even if I show you the statement, they are unmoved by your statement, in that the safety of the dam is not compromised, the integrity of the dam is not compromised. Any repair work is done according to the agreement with contractors.


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Ahli-Ahli Yang Berhormat, the sitting is now adjourned and the House shall resume its sitting at 9.00 a.m.

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